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Unread 07-15-2023, 02:41 PM   #1
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Here is a LeFever 10g that was sent to me for refinishing. The barrel flats have an unusual addition. The barrel is twist, but for some reason, pieces of crolle were soldered in to lengthen the barrel flats. Never seen this before.
I suppose that when the barrel was fitted to the action, the barrel flats and action flats did not match up, so extra material was added. Just a guess, and would be interested to hear other theories.
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I’ve never seen such a thing either Breck.





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New to me and I've seen a few Lefevers.
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Breck: that is a Bernard variant; possibly similar to this which I think is "Bernard Ribbon"



And the pieces don't match. The top looks like 3 iron "oxford" and the bottom "horseshoe" - must have used whatever was handy

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Breck,

Your assessment as to what happens seems logical to me. Material was added.
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I thought it looked like Bernard too. I even wrote it in my notes, then I wasn’t sure, and scratched it out. Great catch.
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Breck: are these your barrels? Similar pattern

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That is quite an interesting addition. Someone at Lefever must have been a little heavy handed on the milling machine. Could you see a brazing line on any of the sides?
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I have never seen a pecelike that, but I did buy an oddity not long ago that seems related. It was a French 10 gauge hammer single fowler that had a Damascus barrel that had a heavy octagon rear portion that stepped down at a wedding ring to a round lighter diameter. The barrel was Damascus but the thicker octagon section was twist. My guess was that it was a lighter damascus overlaid with twist during the welding to give the diameter needed for the octagon section. Odd.
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Art: the French adopted Pieper's "Diana Breech" monobloc construction (or maybe Pieper stole the idea from the French?) and it is more likely that the breech monobloc was damascus and the tube twist.
Lots of Pieper's "Modified Diana" barrels (no step down) had a steel breech and damascus tubes

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