Help with Crass

[Joe Penkala]

Greetings. I would like to solicit help with an Ithaca Crass I recently picked up at a gun show. Several parts are missing. I was aware of this but the price more than reflected the lack of completeness. My usual used parts sources came up dry and my web search for photos and drawings produced little. I can make the parts if I know what they look like. Missing are the cocking hook, what appears to be an insert in the bite for the locking lug, a guide for the extractor and the extractor. I am also missing both firing pins. I can pour wax molds to get an idea of what the firing pins look like but a photo would be nice. All other parts are there in duplicate or at least one of so I can make a copy. I have searched the web and obtained some not great pictures of some of the parts. I have obtained the relevant patent drawings but still only have a very rough idea of what some of the parts look like. I found one thread on this forum that refers to an album containing photos of all the Crass parts prepared by one of the members but I can’t seem to find it. I am probably just looking in the wrong place. Any pictures or measurements of the parts would be greatly appreciated. I have included several photos of the barrels where most of the missing parts would reside. Thanks in advance for your interest.

[Joe Penkala]

Hope the photos are here.

[Allen Peterson]

You might try Les Hovencamp in Ithaca NY . Les had some parts for a early
Ithaca Flues 10 ga. His shop is Diamond gunsmithing on Dey st. Ithaca.

[Joe Penkala]

Tanks for the lead. I'll give him a try

[alcaviglia]

Joe,

If you click on my profile you will find the album on the right side of the page. The photos are from an Ithaca Lewis model. There exist a few differences between Crass and Lewis, but most Lewis parts will work on a Crass model.

You can check Numrich for parts under "Crass Hammerless" (http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufact...tm?results=All), or the Ithaca Lovers forum on shotgunworld.com may be of some help. Numrich doesn't have an extractor, but they do have firing pins and fp retaining screws.

Both other parts you are missing include springs. I'm sorry to say that I did not dimension the barrel lump pieces, so can't help you there.

[Joe Penkala]

I was able to find the album. Will follow up on the other info. Two springs? Would not have expected that. What keeps the extractor in position/from rotating since my barrel has no hole for an extractor guide rod? Thanks for all the help.

[alcaviglia]

That's a good question, Joe. On the Lewis model there is a guide rod in the center of the extractor that is about an inch long.

Something to note: Numrich may have a Lewis extractor listed under the Crass model parts. Mis-cataloguing happens, occasionally. They have a great, no-questions-asked return policy, so it can't really hurt to try...should they get one in.

[Joe Penkala]

Thanks for the info. I'll check Numrich.

[alcaviglia]

You may want to check this photo album:

http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/...0,0,0&format=0

...hopefully you can load and view it. It shows the coil spring and an extractor guide is definitely absent. Perhaps the extractor retaining screw does the job (against a flat surface of the extractor shaft, or maybe in a bit of a groove).

[alcaviglia]

...and a correction on a previous post - just the one spring (which is visable in the album linked above).