Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums  

Go Back   Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums Non-Parker Specific & General Discussions General Discussions about Other Fine Doubles

Notices

Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
Greener questions
Unread 10-16-2023, 10:31 PM   #1
Member
Marty K.
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Marty Kohler's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 264
Thanks: 1,584
Thanked 425 Times in 126 Posts

Default Greener questions

I have always wanted a 20 gauge greener. Maybe it is because of the one Gene Hill liked so much that he imagined who might have owned it originally and wrote a story about it. I had the opportunity to buy a very light 5 lb. 11 ounce 12 gauge with a very petite frame which is very close to my double (00) frame on my VHE 28. I purchased a couple of boxes of 2 1/2” RST shells for it.

Wondering where I could find out more about this gun. Graham Greener is no longer doing letters or doing any research which is fine. He gave me two names .....Mr. Dryhurst and a Mr. Tandy which to this point I haven’t heard back from. Does anyone here have information to share?
Serial # 50498. I believe 1901 0r so
Min wall thickness .027 both barrels
Bore 10” from Breech L. .787 choke.030 R .734 choke .010
Proofed at 1 1/4 oz with a 70 Marking
Chambers 2 5/8”

Any and all thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
__________________
There are some things which cannot be learned quickly, and time, which is all we have, must be payed heavily for their acquiring...They are the very simplest things and because it takes a man's life to know them the little new that each man gets from life is very costly and the only heritage he has to leave.......E. Hemmingway
Marty Kohler is offline   Reply With Quote
Pictures
Unread 10-17-2023, 12:22 AM   #2
Member
Marty K.
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Marty Kohler's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 264
Thanks: 1,584
Thanked 425 Times in 126 Posts

Default Pictures

Pictures..... 12 gauge Greener
28 gauge 00 frame
Attached Images
File Type: jpg PXL_20231017_031047512.jpg (522.7 KB, 10 views)
File Type: jpg PXL_20231017_030829828.jpg (524.7 KB, 7 views)
File Type: jpg PXL_20231017_030742873.jpg (501.1 KB, 12 views)
__________________
There are some things which cannot be learned quickly, and time, which is all we have, must be payed heavily for their acquiring...They are the very simplest things and because it takes a man's life to know them the little new that each man gets from life is very costly and the only heritage he has to leave.......E. Hemmingway
Marty Kohler is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Marty Kohler For Your Post:
More pics
Unread 10-17-2023, 12:25 AM   #3
Member
Marty K.
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Marty Kohler's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 264
Thanks: 1,584
Thanked 425 Times in 126 Posts

Default More pics

Pics
Attached Images
File Type: jpg PXL_20231017_030751243.jpg (515.1 KB, 3 views)
File Type: jpg PXL_20231017_030931975.jpg (516.3 KB, 3 views)
File Type: jpg PXL_20231017_030922748.jpg (506.2 KB, 4 views)
__________________
There are some things which cannot be learned quickly, and time, which is all we have, must be payed heavily for their acquiring...They are the very simplest things and because it takes a man's life to know them the little new that each man gets from life is very costly and the only heritage he has to leave.......E. Hemmingway
Marty Kohler is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Marty Kohler For Your Post:
Unread 10-17-2023, 12:37 AM   #4
Member
Phil Yearout
PGCA Member
 
Phil Yearout's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,401
Thanks: 5,441
Thanked 4,591 Times in 1,174 Posts

Default

Nice! The Greener Gene wrote about was actually a 16ga, 24" barrels. But his closing is classic Gene: Here's to you, old friend, who made this perfect gun come true. And I promise that as long as woodcock whistle and good dogs sleep at our feet while we sit before the fire and drink whiskey...you'll be remembered.
__________________
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so. - Mark Twain.
Phil Yearout is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 11 Users Say Thank You to Phil Yearout For Your Post:
Greener
Unread 10-17-2023, 12:59 AM   #5
Member
Marty K.
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Marty Kohler's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 264
Thanks: 1,584
Thanked 425 Times in 126 Posts

Default Greener

Thanks for that Phil...I saw your picture of your gun cabinet a while ago and I think mine is it’s brother....very similar.
__________________
There are some things which cannot be learned quickly, and time, which is all we have, must be payed heavily for their acquiring...They are the very simplest things and because it takes a man's life to know them the little new that each man gets from life is very costly and the only heritage he has to leave.......E. Hemmingway
Marty Kohler is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Marty Kohler For Your Post:
Unread 10-17-2023, 08:51 AM   #6
Member
edgarspencer
PGCA Member
 
edgarspencer's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,396
Thanks: 3,200
Thanked 12,446 Times in 3,322 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Yearout View Post
Nice! The Greener Gene wrote about was actually a 16ga, 24" barrels. But his closing is classic Gene: Here's to you, old friend, who made this perfect gun come true. And I promise that as long as woodcock whistle and good dogs sleep at our feet while we sit before the fire and drink whiskey...you'll be remembered.
I just re-read that chapter last night......for the 20th time. What made Hill's gun even more special was the sum total of it's weight, the 24", single trigger, and, most unusual, the top safety.
edgarspencer is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to edgarspencer For Your Post:
Unread 10-17-2023, 08:57 AM   #7
Member
Double Lab
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Daryl Corona's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,639
Thanks: 16,814
Thanked 7,044 Times in 2,687 Posts

Default

Beautiful gun. Shoot it in good health.
__________________
Wag more- Bark less.
Daryl Corona is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Daryl Corona For Your Post:
Unread 10-17-2023, 12:11 PM   #8
Member
Kevin McCormack
PGCA Lifetime
Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 2,113
Thanks: 1,444
Thanked 3,927 Times in 1,101 Posts

Default

VERY nice Greener Marty! What grade is it? I owned a 20 ga. FH 35 Greener very briefly that had a broken ejector train on one barrel. Correspondence from Graham Greener at the time detailed the extensive process and considerable cost for repair (essentially rebuilding the entire ejector train) which I decided not to pursue. I sold the gun to a gentleman who had had work like that done before by Greener and didn't care about the cost, import/export hassles, shipping, etc.

I am not familiar with Mr. Tandy, but on our second trip to Scotland for driven birds, our trip organizer Jim Baker, who has had some fabulous guns built by Greener, invited David Dryhurst up for dinner at St. Andrews one evening. He was a most delightful fellow and gave us a "living history" of the origins, development, and marketing of Greener guns. It was quite riveting hearing (as they say) the "rest of the story."

Thank you for the great pics!
Kevin McCormack is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Kevin McCormack For Your Post:
Unread 10-17-2023, 04:50 PM   #9
Member
Jay Oliver
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Jay Oliver's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,108
Thanks: 1,394
Thanked 3,399 Times in 682 Posts

Default

That's a beautiful Greener. A light 12 proofed to 1 1/4...that might kick a little. I like light 12s and do very well with 3/4oz loads. That is a very nice gun that you would have a lot of fun with.

Here is Gene Hill's Greener that I was lucky enough to acquire this past year. I have posted a few pictures on the forum previously. As others have said, it's a 1912 16ga. with 24" barrels. original pad, single selective trigger choked IC/M with ejectors and that top tang safety. It shoots very well and I like the shorter barrels. Hoping to take my first woodcock with it in a few weeks...
Attached Images
File Type: jpg green16a.jpg (194.4 KB, 6 views)
File Type: jpg green16a1.jpg (380.3 KB, 6 views)
File Type: jpg green16b.jpg (73.1 KB, 4 views)
File Type: jpg green16c.jpg (122.3 KB, 4 views)
File Type: jpg green16c2.jpg (480.6 KB, 3 views)
File Type: jpg green16d.jpg (125.0 KB, 4 views)
File Type: jpg green16e.jpg (55.8 KB, 3 views)
Jay Oliver is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Jay Oliver For Your Post:
Unread 10-17-2023, 06:39 PM   #10
Member
Keith Sirmans
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 422
Thanks: 604
Thanked 270 Times in 146 Posts

Default

Wow what a greener! I would definitely use that light 12 with light loads.
__________________
"I shall pass this way but once. Any good that I can do or any kindness that I can show to any human being let me do it now. Let me not defer nor neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again."
Keith Sirmans is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Keith Sirmans For Your Post:
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:33 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1998 - 2024, Parkerguns.org
Copyright © 2004 Design par Megatekno
- 2008 style update 3.7 avec l'autorisation de son auteur par Stradfred.