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Unread 06-16-2022, 07:40 PM   #1
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Since some Red Dot recently became available and powder is scarce I thought I would share these recipes from the 1995 Alliant Reloading Guide. I am not sure why Alliant stopped publishing Red Dot 20ga recipes, I have read that it has to do with the tube sets many Skeet shooter use but the pressures listed seem to be what I would expect from factory loads. For comparison I looked at a 12ga 7/8 and a 1 ounce recipes in the AA hull using the same components and the same amount of Red Dot in both the 1995 reloading guide and in the current Alliant on-line reloading guide. They gave identical velocity and pressure, so I don't think there has been any change to the powder that would affect pressure. (Note: some of the loads show a Federal 209 primer. That is not the same as the Federal 209A primer. The 209A is a magnum/hotter primer and higher pressures would be expected with it's use).
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I’ve got a bunch of Red Dot and have 10 , 12 gauge loads that are fine and I have been fine tuning a Red Dot 16 load with the data from an old IMR manual you gave me . But I was rather fortunate last week and picked up a big pile of 800X . Seems they’ve got 12-16 and 20 data for the normal weight loads on each gauge . I suppose before the summers out I’ll try atleast a box of each using 800X
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Since some Red Dot recently became available and powder is scarce I thought I would share these recipes from the 1995 Alliant Reloading Guide. I am not sure why Alliant stopped publishing Red Dot 20ga recipes, I have read that it has to do with the tube sets many Skeet shooter use but the pressures listed seem to be what I would expect from factory loads. For comparison I looked at a 12ga 7/8 and a 1 ounce recipes in the AA hull using the same components and the same amount of Red Dot in both the 1995 reloading guide and in the current Alliant on-line reloading guide. They gave identical velocity and pressure, so I don't think there has been any change to the powder that would affect pressure. (Note: some of the loads show a Federal 209 primer. That is not the same as the Federal 209A primer. The 209A is a magnum/hotter primer and higher pressures would be expected with it's use).
I was just searching threads yesterday for red dot recipes for 20 gauge shells.
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I have that guide Pete and I was surprised to find a 3/4oz load in there using Unique as I am saving my 20/28 for the 28ga.
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Seventy to eighty years ago our ammunition companies were using Red Dot all the way down to 28-gauge --

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some fine old shells and boxes...aint seen those loads in a while...charlie
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I use loads from old manuals when there is no other choice & Red Dot often listed. Beside the usual cautions oftentimes they don’t fill hulls as good as I would like, hulls and wads usually the issue. . Unique good example.

Having said that my supply of Red Dot is running low and may have to go to Green Dot Unique or even use my supply of 20/28 for 12 G. To that end have some very good Green Dot 20G loads from older manuals. Preserves the 20/28. Green Dot has the tube set problem too. Never gives any trouble In 20G Trojan or Beretta 391

Able to buy 8 pounder of Red Dot will stick with it for 12.

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here lately all I ve loaded and shot was black powder loads...a fellow can get hook hooked on that stuff.....charlie
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I like the green ribbed Remington Shur Shots for my 28ga Repro and my VH20 when hunting ptarmigan on snowshoes on a sunny spring day..... There's something about shooting paper shells that just makes sense.... they just smell right. Who of us doesn't have a sniff of the ejected freshly fired shells before putting them in a pocket??? You know who you are!
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