Twist vs. Plain Twist

[Jim Kremmel]

I’ve spent the evening here looking for examples or threads discussing Twist vs Plain Twist barrels. The info under the technical info tab indicates that there were many more plain twist barrels fitted than twist barrels. Here are some pictures of my PH sn 144,983. I see a T stamped in the barrel near the weight, but no T with crescents. Which type do I have, and what is the difference/significance between the two types? My apologies if this has been discussed previously, I don’t yet have any of the Parker reference books.

[Drew Hause]

Plain Twist
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...LxMESM3W0/edit

[Mike Franzen]

Show us more of the gun please. Looks very interesting.

[mobirdhunter]

Hmmm...a 1 1/2 frame with plain twist barrels. I wonder how many of those there might be?

[Dean Romig]

11,107 Hammerless 12-gauge Grade-1 guns were made with Twist barrels.

Parker Steel barrels had all but replaced Twist barrels by 1917 and the 1 1/2 frame had been around since about 1900 so I would guess that a fair number of 1 1/2 frame 12-gauge guns with Twist barrels were produced. Unfortunately it is a very rare entry in the Parker Bros. records that indicate a frame size of a particular gun.

The T stamp without the crescents above and below is generally known to be the stamp for Stub Twist (see pg. 581 of TPS) and these are "only" seen on hammer guns with a very few rare exceptions that may have been made as "special" guns. These would have been recorded at T1 guns or ST guns.
Parker No. 144983 is listed as a "PT" in the Serialization book so it is not likely to be one of those special guns.

Can we guess that the crescents were omitted in error?




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[mobirdhunter]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

11,107 Hammerless 12-gauge Grade-1 guns were made with Twist barrels.

Parker Steel barrels had all but replaced Twist barrels by 1917 and the 1 1/2 frame had been around since about 1900 so I would guess that a fair number of 1 1/2 frame 12-gauge guns with Twist barrels were produced. Unfortunately it is a very rare entry in the Parker Bros. records that indicate a frame size of a particular gun.
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Thanks, Dean. This is a grade and barrel type that has always interested me, so I look closely at them when they come up. I don't see many advertised in this frame size, so your estimate has me hopeful that I may be able to add one to my collection.

[Jim Kremmel]

Originally Posted by Mike Franzen

Show us more of the gun please. Looks very interesting.

The gun is in the capable hands of Keavin Nelson for stock restoration and (swallowing hard) shortening the barrel by about an inch to remove the bulge in the right barrel. As all collector value is long gone, Keavin helped me reenvision this gun to do duty in the field for another 100 years and keep it in the gene pool.

[Dean Romig]

Keavin is a good man and a good friend to all.




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[Paul Stafford III]

Twist & Stub Twist - Granted Hammer gun examples..

[Dean Romig]

Paul, is the top one the Stub Twist gun?

And please explain what you mean by granted?




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