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03-14-2020, 07:09 PM | #3 | |||||||
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The Winchester hulls I was looking at are primed with a Winchester #4 primer . I couldnt find much info about them when trying to google them . |
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03-14-2020, 07:11 PM | #4 | ||||||
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I had a few hundred of the size primers they used in the old hulls but have used them up think they were #57 or #67 something like that . And as stated above I got them so I could use 209’s after I used up the correct size primers .
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03-14-2020, 07:20 PM | #5 | |||||||
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To me nothing looks better than a rolled crimped paper hull with your vintage sxs . |
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03-14-2020, 07:58 PM | #6 | ||||||
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just remember - the old primers were corrosive
the pitting we see is more due to them than the commonly blamed black powder, that is why you'll see pitting in a gun made after smokeless was common
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03-14-2020, 08:06 PM | #7 | ||||||
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The primers thst were slightly smaller that I had , I don’t think were corrosive . They were made in the 50’s 60’s or early 70’s I think .
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03-14-2020, 08:08 PM | #8 | ||||||
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My experience is replacing the 57 primer with the 209, if the 4 is the same as the 57 give or take it should work.
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03-14-2020, 08:11 PM | #9 | |||||||
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I bought a never opened ammo case years ago that was packed with 30-06 ammo in the M1 Garand stripper clips . the cardboard on them looked new. It was loaded or at least packed in the ammo can in 1969 . We shot them through a cheap bolt gun we had. It left a nasty green residue in the bore . I assume that was from the primers ? I wouldnt use old primers in a vintage double though because you dont know if you are going to get a squib load or not using them . I dug up a old thread on here someone was asking about if they could use the 10 ga paper hulls that were loaded with flares . They are a green hull and look to use a 209 primer . Theres a whole box of them on GB and they look pristine . |
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03-15-2020, 09:32 AM | #10 | ||||||
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Winchester's NEW No. 4 was their primer for their REPEATER, LEADER, PIGEON and Metal Lined shells from about 1904 to the July 1931 Winchester catalog.
LEADER shell with the earlier No. 4 primer -- 1901 LEADER 10-gauge.jpg LEADER shell with the NEW No. 4 primer -- Leader 1901 No. 10 NPE Head.jpg NEW No. 4 primers -- New No. 4 Primers open box.jpg New No. 4 Primers.jpg Winchester was purchased out of receivership by the Olin's of Western Cartridge Co. December 22, 1931. By the 1933 Winchester catalog the LEADER, REPEATER, Super-Speed and RANGER loaded shells were all being produced with Staynless priming, mirroring Western's Non-Corrosive priming in their RECORD, FIELD, Super-X and XPERT loaded shells. |
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