Random thought....

Battue · 08-01-2020, 07:35 AM

Probably asked previously in the past....however were all Parker receivers case hardened, or did some leave the factory blued?

OH Osthaus · 08-01-2020, 09:41 AM

Cased

Blued is a redo

ED J, MORGAN · 08-01-2020, 10:51 PM

They were case hardened.

B. Dudley · 08-03-2020, 09:58 AM

The only Parker offering that would have been blued was the Remington Era Trojan Skeet gun. But you cannot even call that an actual offering. It was more of a proposed offering because none were actually made for public sale.

I am sure that maybe there were some special order requests for a gun to be blued completely. We have seen all sorts of odd requests. But they would be VERY rare and would have to have a letter to support them in order for anyone to believe they could be original.

If a Parker has a blued frame it should be safely assumed that it has been incorrectly refinished.

Battue · 08-03-2020, 10:14 AM

Thanks to all....It was a thought that just came out.

I've never seen one, however would have to think that some contrarian would have ordered one that way. And if given the chance it would have been me.

As much as I like Parkers, their case hardening does little for me and I think a deep blue/black with some restrained scratchings would look better than good.

Dean Romig · 08-03-2020, 10:57 AM

In my opinion if there was a request or order for a blued Parker it would have first been case hardened, even if not color case hardened, in order to have met wear resistance qualities if for no other readon.

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B. Dudley · 08-03-2020, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

In my opinion if there was a request or order for a blued Parker it would have first been case hardened, even if not color case hardened, in order to have met wear resistance qualities if for no other readon..

Yes. The frame would have to be case hardened for the basic point of function and durability. Then blued after the fact. Which would be somewhat prohibitive in my opinion.

However, James Hayes was proposing an all blued finish on his 1929 prototype for his “improved” parker gun design. That gun was all about simplification and cost reduction. So in order for bluing to actually be cost saving, they would have to be using a different steel composition for the frame so that it didnt have to be case hardened. Much like the Winchester 21 (which was all blued) which was one of the first to use what we would consider “modern gun steel” which did not need to be Case hardened after machining and fitting.

Researcher · 08-03-2020, 09:18 PM

As early as 1907, Tobin Arms Manufacturing company introduced their "Black Diamond" with a "Pyro-Oxidized Black" finish on frame, side-plates and trimmings.

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A bit later Baker Gun & Forging Co. replaced their Batavia line with their Black Beauty & Black Beauty Special and also the frames of many of their SBTs were black gun metal finish.

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B. Dudley · 08-03-2020, 09:36 PM

I am not familiar with that model of Tobin.
I was thinking about the black beauty by baker some, but I do not know if they actually used a different steel on that model. I would highly doubt it. It was likely just an additional step on that model to blue it after the case hardening was done.

Phil C · 08-03-2020, 10:08 PM

I have always wondered about a blued frame on the 1st Parker I ever owned. I have attached a picture of the letter. As you can see it was sent back to Parker and the letter states reblued frame.
Not sure this what was written in the records or if it was actually blued or recased.
The gun was blued when I purchased it but as I wanted this gun to be refinished as original I had it case colored.