rem-umc No. 10 NEW CLUB

[Keith Parrish]

Fellas,

Went out to the old barn and found some paper shells 10 gauge Remington- UMC NEW CLUB (they read on the brass).

the one in the worst shape I split open I t was loaded with black powder and primers are small, (not a 209) and the brass has a star around the primer.

Could anybody please lead me to an aprox. (or latest) year these might have been produced?

I got 5 in good shape and also want to know what is the best way to store these beauties. I heard wraping them in a well drenched oil clothe will saturate the powder as so to enable any type of POW. any input would be greatly appreciated!!!

[Keith Parrish]

OH THEY ARE YELLOW

[charlie cleveland]

just a guess but your shells are somewhere between 80 and 100 years old...as for displaying the shellsi would just wipe the dust off them and display themanywhere but direct sunlight..i mean like dont put them by a window that light would hit them....theres no way that i no of to keep black powder from seeping through and corroding the brass..other than removing the powder but then it wouldruin the shell in my opinion....you made a good find display them proudly not many people fortunate to find such gems.... charlie

[Roundsworth]

The 'REM-UMC' headstamp came about in 1911 when the two merged. The yellow hull was probably gone by the mid to late 1920s. The primer is a 'No. 2', which was used in handgun and shotgun cartridges. A plain 'UMC' would be from the late 1880s to 1911. They are becoming very rare. Nice ones can easily sell for $10.00 to $20.00 on GunBroker! I recently bought a mint 'REM-UMC' 8 gauge 'Arrow' for $35.00. Every one of these old cartridges that are fired, or attempted to fire, just makes mine worth more. Please hang on to them. They are irreplaceable. Cheers!

[Keith Parrish]

Charlie,

2 of them have a running type of currosion right where the powder would be going to the brass i'm going to rub them with a lil oil to clean them a bit but like old coins i'm not going to clean them to a noticable account.

There are no markings or stamps on the sides as we see on the new shells which leads me to they are older than the green or black or blue rem's we see today.

[Roundsworth]

The topwad will have the load data, IE: powder type and charge weight, shot size and charge weight, and manufacturer. The Remington star crimp arrived in the late 1930s and was covered with a paper circle with load data. I do not know when the load data moved to the side of the hull. Black powder exudate can be carefully scraped from the brass with an instrument made of copper or brass. Attempting to clean the paper hull with anything will result in ugly stains.

[Keith Parrish]

the over shot cards read REMINGTON UMC 4 1/2, 1 1/4, 6

THE STAR IS IN THE BRASS, AROUND THE PRIMER (NOT A STAR CRIMP).

AND the brass states NEW CLUB with a yellow paper hull.

O I DON'T plan on selling these.... just gifts for good friends!!

[Keith Parrish]

shot size 4 1/2 shot weight 1 1/4 dram weight 6?????

[Roundsworth]

The topwad indicates 4-1/2 drams of black powder (or smokeless equivilent) with 1-1/4 ounces of number 6 shot. The 'star' I was referring to is what Remington caller their new crimping process in 1939 when the roll crimp was superceded. Many times, the powder type will be on the topwad, such as Infallible, Laflin and Rand, New Shultze, etc.

[Keith Parrish]

Originally Posted by Mark Landskov

The topwad indicates 4-1/2 drams of black powder (or smokeless equivilent) with 1-1/4 ounces of number 6 shot. The 'star' I was referring to is what Remington caller their new crimping process in 1939 when the roll crimp was superceded. Many times, the powder type will be on the topwad, such as Infallible, Laflin and Rand, New Shultze, etc.

I don't see this on these but I'm going to go back out this weekend or next and see if there are any more there. Nice knowing that it is worth a short treck through the spiney thistle plants.

I just won a BGI 12 ga roll crimper on ebay. the older type, no drills just by hand. I'm going to give it a spin when I get it. I've goten sooo much info from Parkerguns.org I have to give it a try!!!

THANK YOU ALL!!!!