NO LEAD, NO POWDER AVAILABLE

[Double Lab]

Please, do tell, where did this "delivery" come from Bill?

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

The delivery we just got had Top Guns $56.50 a flat, shot in mid thirties, W209 for $31.50, Thunderbolts for $21.00 a brick. I may be set for life at the rate I'm shooting.

Those are the best prices in the nation on shot (by far) and Win 209 primers. The Remington Thunderbolts are still selling on Gunbroker for $36 a brick plus shipping. You should buying and selling that stuff for profit!

Our local guy rec'd 33 bags of shot all #9's on an order of 240 bags. His distributor told him no more shot until November, his price to us is $42 a bag cash and that is way better than local retail of $49 to $55 a bag.

[charlie cleveland]

i have not seen any big pallets of shotgun shells for doves at the wally world as of yet. they had maybe 5 cases of differant shells such as steel and lead high brass and low brass...i n by gone years the aieles would be full of dove loads... i picked up a 100 round box of 12 ga for 26 dollars...hope every one else is fairing better...charlie

[OH Osthaus]

i wish i had paid that for the bricks of W209s

[Dean Romig]

We're being duped. Remember what happened to gasoline prices in '73/'74 when an artificial shortage was in place? Remember the long lines at the pumps? Remember the oddd/even days when we were allowed to buy fuel????? It was all created to elevate the price of gasoline!! When we finally were able to buy gasoline after the "shortage" had ended we didn't complain much at all about the price... we were just so happy that gasoline was available once again..... What a bunch of saps we are!!

[OH Osthaus]

that may be true Dean, but back in '74 no one stockpiled gasoline,

(okay there was that guy up in the hollow that filled auxiliary tanks on his Winnebago, but someone siphoned it out so the plan failed)

except for those few like serious clays shooters who use large amounts, many people are putting away enough to last a long, if not a life, time, sales may well crash at some point, and if its an ammo company ripoff, they may regret it when no one needs to buy any longer.

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Rick Losey

Ifits an ammo company ripoff, they may regret it when no one needs to buy any longer.

We've already seen some small evidence of that but it will happen on a large scale and they will regret it.

[J.B. Books]

I do not believe for one second we are being duped. That would require both US and foriegn competitors of ammo, powder, and components such as lead shot to conspire with each other. I can't believe the desire of each to make a profit by filling the void created intentionally by another could happen much less persist. To believe this means a coordinated effort between; Dupont, Alliant, Hodgdon, Fiochhi, Cheddite, Winchester, Federal, Estate, Rio, Hornady, Lawrence, Eagle, etc, etc. It would also deliberately open up the door to new competition as new companies are formed to meet the demand.

Similiar to the 1930's we have had and have a PANIC, just like the run on the banks. A gun buying panic created by fear. Not just existing gun owners buying more but new gun owners, all those tens of millions of new guns need ammunition.

Go out and do some research on the federal DPAS system, I deal with it at work. A government agency can place an order with a vendor and make that order a DPAS code DX. That is top priority, becomes the first order a vendor must fill under law. The government has been exposed of buying billions of additional rounds of ammo for HHS, plus what they were buying for the military. The HHS purchases are far greater in quantity and short timing then even the military orders when the two wars were active. That ammo takes all the same raw materials every other cartridge and shell uses.

Then add to the mix hoarders, buying out of fear and stockpiling. Then add to that carpet baggers, buying what they can to turn around and sell it for a quick profit, often double or more than what they paid. These two conditions put additional demand on the supply chain.

There is no OPEC or oil cartel here created to bring the biggest producers and competitors together and monopolize a market. This is a true mess created by politics and fear of the same, made worse by the deliberate giant priority orders of the government designed to dry up supply, and further made worse by scared people who hoard and opportunists looking to profit.

Finally, shortages drive up prices but added to this are the monetary policies of the last few years that have devalued the dollar, (of course the gov't doesn't want to call this inflation) and we arrive at $55 a bag for lead, and $3.75 a gallon to go pick it up in a $35,000 truck.

[Bill Murphy]

Daryl, I sent you a PM.

[Double Lab]

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

Daryl, I sent you a PM.

Got it! Thanks for the info.