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What I'd recommend is mark every shell you have and then send some of those marked shells to Winchester and keep some for yourself for independent testing and also take a picture of the box and the marked shells together showing the lot number. I'd picture the heck out of everything and tell Winchester what you are doing (in a nice way). FWIW, this issue has been reported to Winchester about the Resin being too hard and not shattering as it was intended to when going through the choke. Read this thread, it might be helpful: http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.ph...c,94113.0.html |
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That's very disturbing info on those long beard shells ,I have killed 3 or 4 birds with them but mine are at least 3 years old. I am using a Remington 11-87 with Rem.extra full choke tube. After reading that thread I am now sure those shells did cause that model 21 to fail.
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OK thx. Like I said originally I’m really glad nobody got hurt but if there is a defective element to the shells I believe Winchester should step up. Pretty deep pockets.
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I use the Winchester Longbeard Ammo for turkey hunting out of my Benelli SBE2. I can tell you they knock the SNOT out of you, and that is with an auto that is pretty heavy and bleeds off some of the recoil. They are very stout loads that I would not think are appropriate for anything but a modern gun. But I might be wrong.
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06-07-2020, 06:38 PM | #67 | ||||||
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What people don't understand is that Model 21 3" magnum barrels are the same barrels that are installed on 2 3/4" skeet guns. The wall thickness is the same in both, unlike the 3" Model 12 barrels, which are thicker and heavier. There may be exceptions to this rule, but every 3" Model 21 I have owned, including some that I still own, have been 7 1/2 pound guns, no heavier. I would not shoot a shell in my Model 21 magnum guns that had a name like "turkey", "heavy goose" or any such title. They are common thin barrel field guns made with good steel that normally holds up under stress, but not always.
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I was shooting my M21 on clays today. I shot the original M/F barrels and the Atlas Arms barrels with thin walls. Both work perfectly, thanks to Lou Rotelli. I wouldn’t recommend home gunsmithing on a M21. It looks so simple, but isn’t. That was a lesson learned.
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Rick, this is Jeff from Grand Rapids. Once upon a time I may, or may not have stuck a Fox sticker on your Jeep First, congratulations on the fine turkey and second, sorry to hear about the severe damage to your gun. Ouch! At least there were no injuries. Tom "vaturkey" was kind enough to share your misfortunate on the Fox Forum. I can't offer any advice, but I will say that I own a very light weight German Simson with thin wall choke tubes, so, it can be done. Jeff
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Hey Jeff a.k.a. Mr. Fox! Good to hear from you this is the same gun I was using At the bo whoop shoot last year at Hausmann’s. I know you and I were there together. Hope to run into you again real soon
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