12 gauge Parker shotguns

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Ian Civco

Is that being proposed?

Not a generalized lead ban but here in NH I know of three trapshooting clubs, N. Hampton, Exeter and Lone Pine in Hollis that were shut down because it was determined lead pellets were landing in a wetland (it doesn't take much for the state to declare a wetland). The largest trap shooting facility in Pelham NH had to shut down two fields out of eight for the same reason and could no longer handle the number of shooters for the state championship, so the NH state championship was moved to MA of all places. Another club, Farmington, has half a skeet field because some of the stations were determined to be putting shot in a pond.

[Double Lab]

Like Pete I shoot on average a flat a week. I'll have take to up pickleball.

[William Woods]

I am passionate about hunting and the second ammendment. While we all know what is coming, I believe we are in a state of denial. It is not a matter of if but when. As we age out the letter designated youth that have been force fed through the publlic education system, to believe that guns and hunting are bad things, will be electing, and elected. I could stand on my soapbox and continue much longer but will cede the floor lest I be banned from further comments.

[David]

I try to take a hopeful view. CA did ban lead on public ground for hunting. Not private - i confirmed this with a large skeet/trap club today. No change on private land. UK did ban lead but lets not forget this phrase 'Exemptions: ... outdoor target shooting ranges with appropriate risk management, ' I tend to think outdoor shooting ranges will come up with long term risk management plans. Maybe we should all ask our clubs about future plans now. I am sorry about the impact to an old club shooting over a pond or on public land. I'm sure its frustrating to be forced to change. Every industry has to adapt over time. A race track i ran at for a long time got run out of business over noise and zoning. Didnt adapt fast enough. A golf course i used to frequent got zoned out and turned into commercial property. funny that now the hottest ticket in town is TopGolf -seems to always be crowded . I am hopeful for hunting and shooting to survive well into the future.

[Double Lab]

I've belonged to a public club for about 50 years and it is located on the shores of the water resevoir for the Baltimore City and County drinking water. You can see the water as you shoot. We have the lead mined every 5-6 years or so, just had it done a month or so ago, and the soil and water tested. Zero lead contamination and this club has been in existence almost 75 years. This banning lead shot for whatever purpose is just another back door way to ban hunting, shooting and eventually guns.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Dylan Rhodes

You may have overlooked my statement regarding what you do with the guns and how you get enjoyment from them. I can swallow the 2 dollar a shot pill for my purposes, and if no one else can for theirs, well I guess that just works out for me then.

I think you mentioned shooting 100 rounds on a weekend somewhere Dylan? Your $2 a pill is a lot when some of us shoot 200-500 A WEEK. There are a lot of those guys out there who shoot many thousands a year. Bismuth is simply NOT an option for these guns at that volume. Hunting is low volume but if this is for all shooting then either our guns go bye bye or I suspect there will be a LOT of outlaws walking around simply giving the finger. I know one person who simply will not comply.

[Bill Murphy]

This started out as a "why 12 gauge" thread. Getting back to that, let me comment. Where would be be without Parker pigeon guns, Parker duck guns, Parker single trap guns, Parker 12 gauge skeet guns, high condition Trojans, high condition VH and VHE guns, average condition G, D, C, B, A and higher Parkers? That's a large number of 12 gauge guns on the double gun market. Of course, that's just Parkers. What about the Foxes, Smiths, Purdeys and Bosses? I don't think the 12 gauge market is quite dead yet. Please comment.

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by David Safris

I try to take a hopeful view. CA did ban lead on public ground for hunting. Not private - i confirmed this with a large skeet/trap club today. No change on private land. UK did ban lead but lets not forget this phrase 'Exemptions: ... outdoor target shooting ranges with appropriate risk management, ' I tend to think outdoor shooting ranges will come up with long term risk management plans. Maybe we should all ask our clubs about future plans now. I am sorry about the impact to an old club shooting over a pond or on public land. I'm sure its frustrating to be forced to change. Every industry has to adapt over time. A race track i ran at for a long time got run out of business over noise and zoning. Didnt adapt fast enough. A golf course i used to frequent got zoned out and turned into commercial property. funny that now the hottest ticket in town is TopGolf -seems to always be crowded . I am hopeful for hunting and shooting to survive well into the future.

Massachusetts covered this with a ‘caveat emptor’ clause that says if the shooting range was there before you were you have NO CASE.





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[Phil Yearout]

12 gauges certainly make sense, given the ease and expense of finding appropriate ammo. I shoot off-the-shelf stuff in my three 12ga SBT's. I have two other 12's, a Sterlingworth and an early Fox A grade but when I'm in the field it's still a 16 or occasionally a 20 for me.

[John Allen]

Bill, In response to your comment on 12 gauge guns, it is really a matter of how many 12 gauges are out there. I talk to a lot of the major dealers on a regular basis. They all are hesitant to buy 12s unless they are cheap because they tend to sit in inventory a long time. If you look at gunsinternational today they have 444 Parkers listed for sale. 80% of them are 12 gauge. No businessman wants to have inventory that is slow turning. The flip side to this is look how much small bores have gone up in price.