Early 28 Gauge Production

[Pa SxS]

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

By the way, there is no use in copying or recopying the stock books. Commander Gunther already copied them and we have the copies. What has not been done is to transcribe all the serial numbers in the stock books into the serialization book database. The information is there for Chuck to copy, anytime he gets a few minutes.

Not true Bill. There is information that couldn't be copied at the right hand side of the stock books due to the limitation of the width of the copy machine. I would love to photograph all of the stock books, if I could.

[Pa SxS]

Originally Posted by edgarspencer

If the President gets the federal minimum wage up to $15.00/Hr, Chuck can get a $15.00 raise.

Bless you Edgar!

[Bill Murphy]

Chuck, obviously I was kidding. However, these guys, Edgar included, should realize that all the serial number and barrel length and other basic information from the stock books is in the PGCA collection and doesn't have to be copied. It is already there.

[Wild Skies]

In regards to overall weight, with configurations being identical, will a typical 28ga. 0-frame Parker Bros. gun weigh more or less than a typical 20ga. built on a 0-frame?

[JWH]

My 1902 VH 28ga with 28” barrels weighed 5 lbs 15oz from Parker if that helps.

I’ll have to follow up with Mr. Delgrego. He was very adamant about there being only 14 or 19 of this configuration made being as an 0 frame VH 28 gauge with 28”barrels.

When I questioned it being such a low number, he mentioned their large collection of Parker factory books they have and that he and his grandfather used to go back and forth on the exact number of this configuration being 14 or 19. Either way, it’s not a big deal but will be interesting to talk to him more about it and try to get some clarity.

It’s just a field grade gun in an early configuration but it is interesting to hear that Parker “potentially” ……..didn’t make a lot in this specific spec.



On another note this 1904 VH 28 gauge on a 0 frame with 26” barrels sold for 13.6k including buyers premium this past December.

https://www.rockislandauction.com/de...barrel-shotgun

[edgarspencer]

Originally Posted by Chuck Bishop

The problem isn't with the order book copies, it's with the stock book copies. They were copied on a Xerox copier that was 17" long. The stock books were at least 20" long so information on the right hand side of the ledger wasn't able to be copied. That plus the fact that sometimes the copier lid wasn't all the way down allowing light into the copier resulting in a dark unreadable copy on some Xerox copies.

I photographed all are paper copies with a digital camera so I don't use hard copies anymore. I can zoom in with incredible detail. All this could be resolved with a digital camera. Getting back in is the problem.

Originally Posted by Chuck Bishop

Not true Bill. There is information that couldn't be copied at the right hand side of the stock books due to the limitation of the width of the copy machine. I would love to photograph all of the stock books, if I could.

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

Chuck, obviously I was kidding. However, these guys, Edgar included, should realize that all the serial number and barrel length and other basic information from the stock books is in the PGCA collection and doesn't have to be copied. It is already there.

Bill, I'm sensing you don't love me anymore
Maybe I should have said "Photographed" and not copied, because it was Chuck who pointed out that there IS (Despite your opinion to the contrary) valuable information which was not included in the 17" width of the copy machine, that could be added to a database if it could be accessed and PHOTOGRAPHED. You know, like with a camera?
I am not aware of any data in TPS which includes numbers of a particular frame. Maybe that might appear on the portion that didn't fit on the copier ?

[edgarspencer]

Originally Posted by Greg Baehman

In regards to overall weight, with configurations being identical, will a typical 28ga. 0-frame Parker Bros. gun weigh more or less than a typical 20ga. built on a 0-frame?

Greg, I hope this is what you're after:
All 0 frames
28" 28ga. 5lbs 14oz
28" 20ga. 6lbs 1oz

24" 28ga. 5lbs 10oz
24" 20ga. 6lbs 3oz

The two 20ga. guns are DHE, the two 28ga. guns are VH, so ejector fore ends may be heavier than the two 28ga extractor guns. Also, the wood on the DHE may be marginally heavier due to density (?)

[Wild Skies]

Yes Edgar, that was exactly what I was looking for, thank you. I'm a little bit surprised that the 28's are a little lighter than the 20's. When comparing weights of bi-gauge sets with the smaller bore barrels aboard usually make for a heavier gun. i.e. Parker Repro 20/16 & 28/.410 sets.

[Phil C]

I own SN 173862. It is a DH 0 frame with 28” barrels. It was made in 1916.
I was recently invited to shoot pigeon and took this gun along with several other vintage doubles.
The Parker 28 performed very respectably with those 28” barrels. I missed some birds, but that was my fault. When I did my job I was tickled to see how 5/8 oz of 6’s and 7 1/2’s dropped these tough pigeons.
These is just something special about shooting passing birds with a 28 gauge.

I have attached a copy of the letter.

[James L. Martin]

Phillip, does the letter say the gun was ordered with 2 3/4 inch chambers? I can't make it out. If so that may be why it was made on a 0 frame.