Can we make this case label?

[Dean Romig]

Thanks very much Victor. Most of us had never seen that and probably a great many never knew about the suit.





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[Kevin McCormack]

Many thanks for posting this Victor - those of us who lived through it sport many dental appliances as a result!

[Kirk Potter]

This has me curious now, what guns were they actually planning on marketing?

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Victor Wasylyna

Around here we like to use the word “reproduction.” A trademark owner would opt to use the word “counterfeit” instead of “reproduction.” (Are you shopping for a “Rolex Reproduction by Watch Corporation”? Good luck with that.) Remington owns a federal trademark registration for the PARKER mark (secured in 2002). There is a trademark problem with the original poster’s proposition if done commercially (like CSMC’s label business). If done privately, I would not be concerned about Remington.

-Victor

I think lost in the shuffle this comment makes the most sense. Question is if PGCA would be considered a commercial enterprise, probably not in its current form. Dean pointed out there is an agreement or charter allowing PGCA to use, reference or make part of PGCA endeavors certain materials Remington owns for educational purposes. Guessing the use of trademark emblems is allowed or they would have come down on it years ago. That emblem is reproduced every time a letter goes out and everyday on this page. Those letters and this site and its actions promotes the brand and creates value for it and this group does not seek to profit from it, steal from it, or make the brand its own, it merely continually promotes it at no cost or effort from Remington.

Okay here is a question. How much is the Parker brand or trademark worth? I've worked on trying to value things similar and unless you have an operational strategy, its very subjective. All I do know is that users create value and PGCA is a core group of users.

[Dean Romig]

To the best of my knowledge, the PGCA is not concerned with the 'value' of such trademarks beyond the identification they lend to our organization.

We are concerned with 'value' only to the degree that certain monies we receive from membership fees, the sale of research letters, raffle gun income and silent auction income allow us to perpetuate our mission of education of things pertaining to the Parker Gun, other Charles Parker enterprises, and related historical facts.






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[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Kirk Potter

This has me curious now, what guns were they actually planning on marketing?

They had actually produced a handful of prototype O/U competition style guns.

I handled one but was somewhat unimpressed. They planned three or four grades, some highly embellished and some considerably plainer.





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[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

To the best of my knowledge, the PGCA is not concerned with the 'value' of such trademarks beyond the identification they lend to our organization.

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I agree, have not seen any mission statement or "Why" statement contrary to your point listed, but nonetheless, PGCA as an entity intended or not creates value to Parker Brand, since in essence as individuals we are users of the product.

I said this before,if it probably wasn't the combined efforts of people that participate with this organization, there would probably be about 100,000 antique Parker shotgun lamps. I would almost dare say its groups of enthusiasts like PGCA that keep significant interest and relevance in still using and maintaining hammer guns with damascus or twist barrel guns. Before coming onto this site I would never have even thought about owning one of those guns, now I am starting to get the bug to try one.

[Kirk Potter]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

They had actually produced a handful of prototype O/U competition style guns.

I handled one but was somewhat unimpressed. They planned three or four grades, some highly embellished and some considerably plainer.





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This is the first I've heard of this.. I was thinking something similar would end up happening now, with Remington being bankrupt.. Just slap the Parker name on some cheap foreign made SXS. I seem to remember Marlin doing this a few years back with LC Smith.

[Victor Wasylyna]

If anyone is interested in reading more about Remington’s PARKER trademark or about the PARKER BROS. trademark that Remington challenged/quashed, I posted some documents on DropBox:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lbjmpukes...a3vYSHtCa?dl=0

Does not tell the whole story, but there are some interesting tidbits.

-Victor

[William Davis]

No doubt the Parker name could be purchased as part of the Bankruptcy proceedings. Fast work and good Lawyer may be inexpensive. Can’t see the current gun industry being interested .

William