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[ed good]

"I think the safest thing to do is to not harden or color."

mike: we can agree on that. ed

"When I see a gun that has been case colored I always wonder if the guy that did it knew what he was doing."

we can agree on that too!

[MarketHunter]

Having followed the circus that is Ed Good over on DoubleGunShop, I can't wait to see how all this turns out here in the Parker World.

DLH

[ed good]

hunter: hopefully the monkeys and baboons will not find their way here...

speaking of the circus, have you seen the recent movie "water for elephants" ?

a very well done flick about life in a real circus in the 1930's.

[Bill Murphy]

Mr. Hoffard, I don't know why you are confused about the outcome "over here". Only a couple of months ago, a nameless individual was temporarily banned from this site for threatening another member with a frivolous report to the ATF with intent to injure the other member. He was allowed back on the forum, apparently with the promise to behave. Keep your nose to the ground to see whether he adheres to his probationary conditions. Oddly, you and I are in good standing "over here".

[MarketHunter]

Mr. Murphy,

I didn't know he had been allowed back on the forum. I'm disappointed to hear that. Of all our posters here, there were only three I dreaded to see write in and he was one.

DLH

[AmarilloMike]

Yep, they got up a pool over on the Doublegun BBS and bought him a PGCA Lifetime Membership so they would let him back on here so he wouldn't post so much there. The pool was over-subscribed.

Best,

Mike

Just kidding.

[ed good]

murphy, market and mike: i fail to see what your recent posts have to do with parker shotguns? maybe youse guys could explain this to us...

[AmarilloMike]

Why nothing.

But if you think we are referring to you in the last three posts we weren't.

Best,

Mike

[Opening Day]

Ed you forgot most of the people on the Double Gun are members here.. The problem is when you post about "low heat case coloring (ie. torch) on this board, we have alot of newbees that don't understand what you or Ed Landers are doing to these guns So again please call John D or Jeff K (to kick me off this board) or if you want ask me, to call them and I will, what you or Ed L does to guns should be criminal... and I want all of the new people to know that ... (the others already know).

Questions....?

[edgarspencer]

Ed, I couldn't speak to any particular range of normalizing, tempering or annealing of receivers of any particular period of manufacture. Speaking in more general terms though, any particular heat treatment is a function of the base metal chemistry. Given that a heat treat shop knows the chemistry, very little in times and temps has changed.
Most all quality firearm receivers are milled from forged steel blanks. These forgings, prior to mechanical process to achieve their near-net shape, were born from molten metal, a media I am intimately familiar. For my last 25 years of my working career, I owned and ran a pretty sophisticated steel foundry. When I was a youngster, the company operated a "wet" analytical laboratory, for material analysis. The drawback of the "old process" was that you were performing an analysis that took hours, and well after the furnace had poured to the 4000-15,000 pound ladles, and the castings were poured, and cooling.
It was only by past proven 'recipes' and known chemistries of raw materials, that specs were met, or, within the range of the given PO specifications (ASTM, ASME, ANSI or Mil-S-xxxxx) As growth permitted, the company changed to Spectrometer analysis, both x-ray flourescent and vacuum/optical emission. This allowed the melting department to know exactly what to add (or boil off with liquid oxygen) to hit an exact chemistry.
This information was what the heat treat department needed to know precisely what times, temps and quench/cool down methods were necessary.
Even the old gun-makers had the tools (chemistry of the forged blanks) because the steel mills supplied chemistry since early steel makiing started. What made it more difficult was the lack of consistency through time. it was essential the heat treatment departments knew exactly, the tracability of the given blanks to the analysies supplied. Traceability is the major function of QC departments everywhere.
As an aside, Ruger, in Newport, up your way, is one of the only present day gunmakers who produces all their receivers from (investment) castings, not forgings.
Mike, That old SS frame cold still be saved. The HIP process, not one which many but specialty firms perform, is the Hot Isostatic Press process, where casings and forgings are put under, are you ready(?) up to a half million PSI. Apart from the obvious compression, grain structures of incredible fineness are achieved. I don't know how badly it was stretched, but good cut/TIG weld procedures can do alot. Also the hardness could be tested in a nearly non destructive way using either Rockwell, or micro-braille hardness testers.
FWIW, I don't agree that the "best" coarse is to not re-case. It has to be determined on a gun by gun decision. If the end result is a near-new restoration, the value (sentimental or monetary) of the end result has to justify the expense invested, and you don't go to the corner store for prime rib when the best butcher is just down the road.
Jeez, I miss my job.