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I have used a 21 from the time i have been 16 i have NEVER heard of one doubleing
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01-23-2012, 09:26 AM
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I had a 12 gauge field grade Model 21 years ago and it doubled often until I had a gunsmith friend of mine clean it out and so some tweaking. After that it never doubled again and was a tremendous shotgun. I now have a 12 gauge with a 28 inch barrel and Skeet 1 and 2 chokes. It has never doubled and has been a great shotgun. I own a couple of Foxes, a couple of L. C. Smiths, a Parker GH and the model 21. ALL are great guns.
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M21..1935
SN 7902
W21s were the guns of choice in Alabama where I grew up.My dad and 5 uncles all shot these guns,mostly for quail..plenty of them then. This gun was made in 1935..32" barrels,tight chokes and with #3 factory engraving..have never shot a M21 that doubled.... Thought everyone would like to see a classic gun for trap or ducks. Bill 
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21 or Parker
I have all of them, Parker, Smith, Winchester 21, and Foxes even a few Lefevers all of them do a great job.
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04-14-2015, 06:18 PM
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Aren't Model 21's supposed to have the strongest barrels to withstand the strongest loads of any of the American classic doubles?
Their attraction to me is the over-engineered strength they are supposed to have as well as the story behind them - that John Olin made them because he wanted to produce a classic and to heck with whether the finances made sense. Something about that I like |
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04-14-2015, 07:53 PM
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John Olin subjected the M21, along with other guns of the time (including Purdey) to proof testing, and all other guns failed. He was unable to blow up the M21 with any proof load he tried. If my memory is correct (and that is a BIG assumption) the Purdey failed on the 4th or 5th charge.
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I remember that test and that is why I understand they are overengineered. It was something like the others started going on the 4th or 5th round, all the others were gone by 200 and the M 21 was going strong with no damage at 2000 when they stopped the testing. That is cool
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The other test that is very interesting is that Winchester made two identical frames both heat treated, and then one was case hardened and the other was blued. Then they were tested for Tensile strength, elastic limit, elongation and reduction of area. The results are below and perhaps someone can explain to me what these results mean? Just because the numbers are higher are their any real positives or negatives.
Case hardened frame: Tensile strength 94,200 PSI Elastic limit 85,00 PSI Elongation 2.0 percent Reduction 0.0 percent Blued frame: Tensile strength 174,600 PSI Elastic limit 160,950 PSI Elongation 12.0 percent Reduction of area 63.7 percent |
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