WC Scott hammer guns ?

[stumpstalker]

Milton:

It says, for the 10-gauge guns, (30 and 32-inch bbls): "....110.00."

The hammers are described as being "low"; not "short", although they may be that too.

The manipulable portion of the low hammers could be comparable with what you get with customary "high" hammers. Maybe someone with knowledge will comment.

The selling point is that when cocked, they are below the line of sight.

Even if functional, the low hammer concept apparently never took off; they probably didn't look right (maybe too evocative of a distressed Spaniel).

Lovell apparently offered some guns under its own brand, other "hardware store"-quality guns from sources domestic and foreign, as well guns of more recognizable and/or prestigious makers, such as W. W. Greener; Colt; Remington; Lefever; Ithaca and L. C. Smith and Parker.

[Milton C Starr]

Originally Posted by Russell E. Cleary

Milton:

It says, for the 10-gauge guns, (30 and 32-inch bbls): "....110.00."

The hammers are described as being "low"; not "short", although they may be that too.

The manipulable portion of the low hammers could be comparable with what you get with customary "high" hammers. Maybe someone with knowledge will comment.

The selling point is that when cocked, they are below the line of sight.

Even if functional, the low hammer concept apparently never took off; they probably didn't look right (maybe too evocative of a distressed Spaniel).

Lovell apparently offered some guns under its own brand, other "hardware store"-quality guns from sources domestic and foreign, as well guns of more recognizable and/or prestigious makers, such as W. W. Greener; Colt; Remington; Lefever; Ithaca and L. C. Smith and Parker.

I found a picture of a low hammer W.&C. Scott not sure if its the same as the model from that ad but they are low and noticeably shorter than the regular tall hammers . I guess you could have low tall hammers if they cocked back further . From my understanding W. Scotts son or sons can't remember if he had more than one ? Anyhow one of the sons was a inventor not a gunmaker so he came up with patents for the family business like the top lever . Low hammers sounds like one of those patent ideas that never caught on . There were alot of patents back then it seems for sxs shotguns .

[Kensal Rise]

Originally Posted by Russell E. Cleary

Even if functional, the low hammer concept apparently never took off; they probably didn't look right .

To the contrary, if I may be allowed. Scott made thousands of "C-Hammer" guns. I've owned many myself. They function well and get the hammers down out of line of sight. But... good shots focus on the target, not the hammers.

Also... 40-inch barreled Scotts were said to be better for horseback hunting. They supposedly get the muzzle blast further away from the animal's ears. But I can't see how 10 extra inches of barrel would make much difference to a skittish mount.

[Milton C Starr]

Originally Posted by John Campbell

To the contrary, if I may be allowed. Scott made thousands of "C-Hammer" guns. I've owned many myself. They function well and get the hammers down out of line of sight. But... good shots focus on the target, not the hammers.

Also... 40-inch barreled Scotts were said to be better for horseback hunting. They supposedly get the muzzle blast further away from the animal's ears. But I can't see how 10 extra inches of barrel would make much difference to a skittish mount.

Horseback hunting with a shotgun sounds like a odd concept to me .
Now with a rifle I could see situations where you may want or need to fire from horseback . If you are in say bear country or horsebacking and need to fire your rifle from the mount .

If a horses hearing is as good as their eyesight I doubt the extra barrel length matters at all to them .

Ive been noticing it seems like everyone whos selling a hammer gun takes pictures of them with them on half cock so you cant truly see how short or tall the hammers are . However I have started to notice it seems like on shorter hammer guns the ears are at a angle on the hammer instead of just standing straight up .

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Milton C Starr

I've been noticing it seems like everyone who's selling a hammer gun takes pictures of them with them on half cock so you cant truly see how short or tall the hammers are.

Parker hammer guns don't have a 'half cock' position in the locks. The majority of hammer guns we see pictures of are guns with rebounding locks. This feature keeps the hammers off of the plungers, or firing pins - but the hammers can be pushed forward pretty easily, overcoming the rebound spring tension.





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[charlie cleveland]

i too am curios about the price of their 8 ga shells....i think they will do well with the 8 ga shells especially if they can sell to the other side of the big pond.....charlie

[Milton C Starr]

Originally Posted by charlie cleveland

i too am curios about the price of their 8 ga shells....i think they will do well with the 8 ga shells especially if they can sell to the other side of the big pond.....charlie

Thats a no go Charlie I already asked them if they planned to sale any to the U.K considering how many people still use it there for wildfowling . And the only people still making 8 gauges is Westley Richards seems like it would be a good place to sell . They said they dont export ammo and have no plans to sell there .

I think I added up it would cost 56$ to load a box of 25 using new hulls .
But if you add in the addition time it takes to resize the 8 ga hulls that would probably add some to the loading cost . I think 3$ a round is not out of the ballpark probably what 12 ga and 10 ga 3.5" turkey loads cost but I havnt looked in a long time . I think it will be cool just the fact of seeing cartridge boxes marked 8 gauge being made again . Last time I know of any 8 gauge ammo being produced was that run gamebore I think it was they did for 6000 cartridges .

[B. Dudley]

The first hammer guns do have half cock locks. These are the guns made before the Stokes patent rebounding locks. They are only found in the first couple thousand serial numbers.

I have owned one.

[Milton C Starr]

Originally Posted by Brian Dudley

The first hammer guns do have half cock locks. These are the guns made before the Stokes patent rebounding locks. They are only found in the first couple thousand serial numbers.

I have owned one.

I just noticed there are two different plunger styles on these hammer guns one has what looks like a nipple on it like the 10 ga Osprey is selling and the one im looking at as what I suppose would be the rebounding style ones . Even with the hammers not touching the plungers they are still pretty tall for the gun im looking at its in the earl 30k serial # range

[B. Dudley]

Originally Posted by Milton C Starr

I just noticed there are two different plunger styles on these hammer guns one has what looks like a nipple on it like the 10 ga Osprey is selling and the one im looking at as what I suppose would be the rebounding style ones . Even with the hammers not touching the plungers they are still pretty tall for the gun im looking at its in the earl 30k serial # range

The plunger styles to not indicate the lock type on Parkers.