Is there a suppport group??

[Autumn Daze]

Carl,

Thanks for posting that.Very nice gauge!

[TARNATION !!!]

Hosford or Manson

Quite a price difference.

The Hosford comes nicely packaged and very portable without need for a vice. It handles .410 to 10 gauge and can be table mounted for use at gun shows, auction viewings or your own bench.

The Manson does the job but requires a vice thus not the same portability.

From cost/effectiveness perspective:

If all the work will be done in a shop, Manson may be the right gauge.

If the measurements are on the road as a collector/accumulator then Hosford may be the right gauge.

I assume both will give you the same results as far as correct measurement is concerned.

Missing anything or got something wrong??

Jack

[Old and Reliable]

I'm thinking of buying the Manson gauge from Brownell's-is it USA mfg?? And where did you see a Chinese knock-off of the great Wilton vise? I have two Wiltons and a older Parker and Snow in my workshop- the Parker was from my late grand-dad's machine shop-- Call me and old-fashioned guy (and you would be 100% right about that) but I'll do without before I buy ANY tool from the oriential countries--so you can guess that I don't shop much a Wally-World-Mart either--cheap crap- the most expensive thing on a job is a cheap tool, like a "fair-weather friend" it will let you down everytime--IMO

And Jack, on another thread I believe you were discussing "Back Door" mfg. Parkers, correct. So I can learn here, are those "unknown Old Reliables" about the same breed of cat as the 'lunch box specials?""

A back Door Parker-lessee here- Parkers went out of production around 1940 in Ilion, about the same time the late Jim Morrison was born- he died in 1971, doubt if he owned any firearms, so a Back Door Parker Man- probably not!!

[Bill Murphy]

Tom Leshinski is correct. The barrels can be mounted on a slightly tapered dowel and rotated without loosening and tightening the vise jaws. Of course, something has to hold the dowel. It can be a simple clamp as long as it is secure. I think Jon and I discussed this when he was giving me the block of instruction. I'm sorry this discussion isn't on a dedicated thread, but I'm sure it is available to all interested in it.

[TARNATION !!!]

Francis: The "back door" discussion is here. I would say it would be not quite the same as "lunch box specials", which, as I understand those, were stolen from companies, armed forces and then had identifying marks removed. As Dean pointed out, a "back door" Parker is not exactly verifiable. Maybe Mr. Parker appointed someone to always be "lookin' out my back door". [CCR]

[Old and Reliable]

Boy do I remember CCR--what a interesting LSD trip that song was=-almost in league with Bob Dylan's Highway 61 revisited. I would trust Brownell's to tell the truth, if they state their products are all USA made, that works for me. I think I will order their Manson gauge soon- besides the 16 Parker O frame I also acquirred a 12 Smith Grade 4 with Chain Damascus barrels--As it is common for those barrels to develop pits from black powder and older primers of that era- honing them out can indeed reduce wall thickness. Miking the walls of each tube and muzzle and breech is a start, but not a guarantee.

I'm not a big fan of the Brit rock groups, but believe either Pink Floyd or Led Zepplin did a song with the "rear view mirror" tag line inserted-all good, as I always have the boom box on when in the gunroom/workshop in the basement furnace room area-Bob Seger, Bob Dylan, Steve Miller and others from the past work for me!

[Old and Reliable]

Eric- thanks for the informative post. I only know Wes Dillon at the James D. Operation in Maine, I knew him from earlier days at Cabelas. I do NOT know Bill or Mr. Julia, and I am interpreting your comment about the "sand-pounding" to mean that you are on your own with a possible mis-represented Parker 16 DHE with Damascus barrels you recently purchased there.

If that is the case, and ONLY if those are the facts, then I might suggest that Julia's is not playing smart poker. They must know you are a very active member of the PGCA and very informed about Parkers (and other firearms as well)- and if they won't make this situation right, as indeed they should, your "rant" is very much warranted here.

A friend who specializes in probate has turned over a few good shotguns to Julia's for their "reward" or finder's fee program, and was never compensated. He told me it would cost more to bring suit in Maine, travel, documentation, fair value assessment than he would gain in the end. he now works with another major gun auction house in the Midwest, and has been fairly treated there.

Julia's is supposed to have the fabled Nash Buckingham AH Fox "Bo Whoop" up for sale sometime next month. Your experience with them vis a vis the 16 DHE would make me take pause, if I were a "player" as Jack Puglisis and the "Czar's Parker" of a few years ago.

It is also my understanding that Julia's and other such houses often get a "double dip" on a sale- 15% seller's premium and the same for the buyer- so, for example hypothetically here: a BHE 28 gauge sells for an even 100 thou- I'm the consignor- so I receive t85 thou- you are the buyer so you write Julia's a check for 115 thou-- 30%- that's a hefty "Vig"-- IMO!

[Opening Day]

Francis , I forgot to mention Wes, both he and Bill run the gun dept. I talked to Wes at the Vintagers and he went back to talk to Mr Julia and that was the reply that I got, the only offer was they would aution the gun off for me with no commision, my reply was how can you sell a gun that is unsafe.... They didn't even offer to pay back the commision fee that I paid To me that was the least that they could have done. As I told Wes, I won't get my money back from Julia's but I will cost them far more then my cost. As of now I have already sent three guns that people asked me where to send to other aution houses or dealers on consignment. So I will get my pound of flesh just a little at a time

[TARNATION !!!]

Francis: Not all Brownell's products are made in USA. Those that are are marked with the stars and stripes logo. They are still working with all suppliers to identify US made products, so there can be some in the catalogue/on-line that are US made but not yet known to be so. A work in progress for them. That's my understanding of their statement.

[CHE]

Jack, I talked to the people at Manson and they make everything except the screws and the gauge.