Mid Bead...Rhyme or Reason - Page 4

Autumn Daze · 03-15-2010, 11:14 AM

Chris,I you look at my original post you will notice that the VHE 32" gun has the mid bead at 18 3/8" back. That is much further back than the other guns. And its stocked at 2 1/2"DAH. Coincidence? Who knows...

Richard Flanders · 03-15-2010, 12:32 PM

Seems one would have to be concentrating pretty hard on the beads to make a figure 8. Interesting idea but doesn't gel with the idea of NOT concentrating on the beads..... unless of course you like to miss targets.... like I do...

10ga Hammer · 03-15-2010, 04:30 PM

Dave Suponski, out of curiosity,of the guns you listed, which ones allow YOU to see a figure 8 with a normal gun mount and what are your preferred stock drop dimensions?

Autumn Daze · 03-15-2010, 05:02 PM

Bob,A gun stocked to my liking would be 14 1/2"LOP 1 1/2"DAC 2 1/2" DAH with a 1/8" or so cast off for a RH shooter. I can shoot any one of these guns pretty good as I have learned how to adjust. The two 32" trap guns with the fairly high stocks I like because I float the birds over the muzzles.

10ga Hammer · 03-15-2010, 06:16 PM

Dave, I could shoot your gun no problem. 1 1/2 DAC is right on the money for me shooting 16yd trap targets,I too like to float the target. That why some of my flatter shooting doubles give me fits at SC! Was just curious if you actually see a figure 8 with any of those stock dimensions.
I know as I raise the comb on my gun I begin to see rib between the beads.
So it stands to reason a higher comb or a longer face would require the bead be closer to the muzzle to get stacked beads. A mid bead is very functional if properly set for the shooter. Canting the gun left or right or raising the head causes the figure 8 to fall apart,it can serve as an instant gun mount check before calling for the target.

Autumn Daze · 03-15-2010, 06:33 PM

Bob,I agree. On my three trap guns I use the figure 8 to get set on the gun and then look for the target.Seems to work pretty good.Also at trap I don't go down to the house before calling for the target.I keep my mounted gun about three feet up from the house.Keeps gun movement to a minimum and I am on the target quickly.

Dean Romig · 03-15-2010, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Rambler

Canting the gun left or right or raising the head causes the figure 8 to fall apart,it can serve as an instant gun mount check before calling for the target.

Robert, that's my point exactly.

We rarely see Dave with a "long face" - he's usually the life of the party.

CSL · 03-15-2010, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Suponski

Chris,I you look at my original post you will notice that the VHE 32" gun has the mid bead at 18 3/8" back. That is much further back than the other guns. And its stocked at 2 1/2"DAH. Coincidence? Who knows...

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Dave,
I had a look at my 32" VHE vent/rib Trap last night and it measured very similar to yours with a little higher shooting dimensions at heel = LOP 14-1/8, DAC 1-1/2", DAH 1-3/4, and mid-bead dead on at 18" from muzzle....

Maybe if we had some other shooters here post the stock dimensions of their 32" barreled guns with bead measurement, we would see a consistent pattern with relation to stock height and mid-bead placement?... Would also be interesting to see the differences in mid-bead placement between vent/rib and standard rib same length barrels with similar stock dimensions... Just a thought, and Hope we get some feedback on this...

Best, CSL
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Double Play · 03-16-2010, 08:24 AM

After reading this entire thread a couple of times I'm not sure if there was a factory standard or not and if there was such a standard where was the measurement taken from. So far it's been suggested the measurement could be from the muzzle, from the breech, and someone suggested measuring from the butt to the bead. I checked three guns last night that letter with double beads and all three measure 18" from the muzzle. Because all three guns have different barrel lengths (26"28"30") I have to assume that it's the relationship of each bead to the other that would be the most important dimension. I like double beads for checking gun mount but find them impractical for shooting as I try to focus on the lead edge of the clay or the head of the bird when making a shot.

Old and Reliable · 03-16-2010, 08:56 AM

[QUOTE=Larry Frey;15153]After reading this entire thread a couple of times I'm not sure if there was a factory standard or not and if there was such a standard where was the measurement taken from. So far it's been suggested the measurement could be from the muzzle, from the breech, and someone suggested measuring from the butt to the bead. I checked three guns last night that letter with double beads and all three measure 18" from the muzzle. Because all three guns have different barrel lengths (26"28"30") I have to assume that it's the relationship of each bead to the other that would be the most important dimension. I like double beads for checking gun mount but find them impractical for shooting as I try to focus on the lead edge of the clay or the head of the bird when making a shot.[-

Larry, for field hunting conditions I couldn't agree more- I removed the mid-bead sights from my VR 28" Mossenburgher 835 nasty weather waterfowler, I didn't mind the VR but the little brass bead distracted me-I only want to see the birds head in focus- haven't shot the little 16 PH on clays yet, but will not remove the mid bead for any reason-

?? If you do that, will that allow moisture to "weep" into the top rib section?? I sealed the 1/16" unthreaded hole in the VR on the 835 against moisture just for that reason.