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I just got home and read this thread and I can't believe what a flat out liar this guy is. I'm going to post all of the emails from me and from him from start to end so you can be the judge of who is telling the truth in the matter. I'm glad I keep every email from my gun transactions. If you look at the time stamps you will see he was emailed and phoned within 10 minutes of receiving the gun and told of the scratches. The gun was in UPS's hands within 48 hours of receipt of the gun and it never left my house and was never fired by me or anyone else while I had it. I will go to court and swear every word I've said is true and I hope this bunch of crooks enjoys their $220. The emails will be on a separate post as it will not all fit on one post. If you look at dates and times on the emails you will see that the gun arrived to me on Dec. 6th at 11:46 AM and the gun was shipped back to him on Dec. 8th and I have the UPS receipt with the date and time that I can scan if anyone wants to see it. Find any threat in any of these emails? The only time I talked to him on the phone was before I bought the gun and 10 minutes after I received it. The actual ad is the first thing on the listing. Seems like he was calling it a baby frame gun doesn't it.
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GI#: 100215519
SKU#: 1234 Title: WINCHESTER MODEL 21 BABY FRAME 28 GA. Description: WINCHESTER 21 SMALL FRAME 28 GA. EJECTORS, SINGLE TRIG., 30"BARRELS, F/M , CIRCASSIAN WOOD , WINCHESTER LEATHER CASE W/COVER , NEWUNFIRED, BILLIE, 714-446-9977 Price: $15,000.00 Name: Gerry Addison Email: esetter5@me.com Phone Number: 513-405-9900 Question/Message: I spoke with you last night about this gun and I don't want to bother you on Thanksgiving, but when you have time call me and I would like to go over this gun with you and talk about purchasing it. Gerry Addison On Nov 26, 2011, at 2:49 AM, J BRYANT <bb801@msn.com> wrote: hi gerry , very nice talking with you! i told dad you wanted the 21 & i am happy you told me because joshua told him he wanted it & i explained to dad you were first as i spoke with joshua after you & explained to dad he did not want to deal with me only him & that is why he missed gun! dad laughed & called him & explained the situation & he ended up buying a A-1 spcl. from dad!haha! anyway our address is billie bryant , 1916 lexington drive, fullerton , calif, 92835 it will come to $15,080.00we will supply insurance & packing, i am very sincere when i say your client will love gun! thanks, billie Subject: Re: An inquiry regarding your GunsInternational.com listing #100215519 From: esetter5@me.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:29:13 -0600 To: bb801@msn.com Did the check arrive yet for the 21? Always worried about mailing checks. Gerry Gerry Addison 7757 Whisper Ln. Okeana, OH 45053 513-405-9900 - Cell esetter5@roadrunner.com gerry it arrived today & will ship 21 in morning, thanks much, billie From: esetter5@me.com Subject: Re: An inquiry regarding your GunsInternational.com listing #100215519 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 11:26:12 -0500 To: bb801@msn.com Billie, I just received the gun 10 minutes ago, opened it up and was surprised to find a large group of scratches on the left side of the butt stock. I've attached several pictures for you so you can see what I'm talking about. I told my buyer the gun was mint. I don't believe he will accept the gun with these scratches. Don't know how this could have happened, nothing in the case that could have scratched it and you had it wrapped well. All the scratches are on the left side. There are several other scratches on this side as well. Call me so we can talk about this. Gerry, 513-367-6030 or cell 513-405-9900 On Dec 6, 2011, at 1:36 PM, J BRYANT wrote hi gerry i am here in riverton illinois bird hunting with grandkids, the scratches were not there when left? but i will contact freddy brunner in about 5 minutes by phone & he will FIX anything at my cost? gerry i sincerely had no idea these were there? are they that bad as i can not tell? billie From: esetter5@me.com Subject: Re: An inquiry regarding your GunsInternational.com listing #100215519 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:11:24 -0500 To: bb801@msn.com Billie the scratches are bad, not deep, but a lot of them. Looks like the gun was sitting in a rack that had something sharp at the bottom. I examined the case closely and I can see nothing that would have scratched it up like this. There are also so single long scratches on the left side scattered over the stock. I know my buyer won't accept it as it is because I told him is was as new and perfect. I don't think he will be willing to wait a couple of months to get the gun while it is being repaired. I hope this picture shows you the extent of the scratches. Sorry about this, it puts me in a jamb as I put up the cash for the gun and was only charging him $500 extra for my trouble because he is a friend. I use Dave Wolf in Waco Texas for all of my repairs and he is very good and very fast but again, I don't know if any of this will fly with this guy. On Dec 6, 2011, at 4:16 PM, J BRYANT wrote: hi gerry: i just got back in & called freddy & he said he can fix immediately for granddad if he gets it quick? can you ship to him just the receiver & he will fix in have returned in four days? we had to make deal with him that he could put dads purdy on back burner until feb.? his address is freddy brunner 1610 friendship lane, escondido , calif. 92026 , put your return address in & he will return in four to five days, thanks, billie From: esetter5@me.com Subject: Re: An inquiry regarding your GunsInternational.com listing #100215519 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 20:05:42 -0500 To: bb801@msn.com Just got off the phone with one of my best friends that owns a Baby Frame 28GA from Galazan. The frame is 5/16 more narrow than the gun sent to me and the barrels are 5/16" more narrow at the breech. This is definitely a standard frame gun. It is very pretty, but not what I bought. On Dec 7, 2011, at 3:55 AM, J BRYANT wrote: hi gerry : we are just getting up & around to go hunting, saw your emails & told granddad what you had to say & he was not happy but he is calling lou & tony today as he called after your email & was told a different story? mike told him that it was the small frame gun & that there are only 5 of the very small frame super baby frames built & they were 29000 dollars with no engraving? the 28 ga. you purchased cost 27000 new with case, granddad sold it for 15000 & gerry is still willing to redo stock for free? granddad is willing to go 500 & fix wood for free? billie From: esetter5@me.com Subject: Re: An inquiry regarding your GunsInternational.com listing #100215519 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 08:15:49 -0500 To: bb801@msn.com Billie, I assure you this is not a Baby Frame gun. All measurements are identical to my two 20GA guns. I'm not interested in the gun because it is not on the Baby Frame. I'm not sure who "Mike" is but there are only two frame sizes for the 28GA guns. There is the standard frame which is the 20GA frame, and the Baby Frame which is much smaller and the frame and barrels are all scaled to the 28Ga. This is the standard frame 100% positive on that matter. If you go to Connecticut Shotgun's web site you can see the options for ordering a gun. The baby frame is an $8000 upgrade from the 28 on the standard frame. The ad listed the gun as a Baby Frame which it is not. I just need the address where you would like the gun returned and I'll get it shipped today. I'm sorry the owner of the gun told you the wrong thing. Please let me know the shipping method you want me to use. I have a UPS account and can use that if you like. I'll get it out to you today. GI#: 100215519 SKU#: 1234 Title: WINCHESTER MODEL 21 BABY FRAME 28 GA. Description: WINCHESTER 21 SMALL FRAME 28 GA. EJECTORS, SINGLE TRIG., 30"BARRELS, F/M , CIRCASSIAN WOOD , WINCHESTER LEATHER CASE W/COVER , NEWUNFIRED, BILLIE, 714-446-9977 On Dec 7, 2011, at 12:24 PM, J BRYANT wrote: gerry send back to freddy brunner as he will fix anyway? thanks, billie From: esetter5@me.com Subject: Re: An inquiry regarding your GunsInternational.com listing #100215519 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 08:43:55 -0500 To: bb801@msn.com Gun was shipped to Mr. Brunner yesterday. You should have gotten an email from UPS covering this. Can you tell me when you will be sending out my check. On Dec 8, 2011, at 12:15 PM, J BRYANT wrote: GERRY AS I SAID BEFORE I AM HERE IN ILLINOIS WITH FAMILY AND WILL BE HOME AFTER XMAS. AND WILL SEND , BILLIE From: esetter5@me.com Subject: Re: An inquiry regarding your GunsInternational.com listing #100215519 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:45:50 -0500 To: bb801@msn.com Billie, I don't feel I should have to wait that long for this check. It is a lot of money to me and it wasn't my mistake, I shouldn't be penalized. A personal check is fine. I would think that under the circumstances you would take care of this right away. I wasted two days of my time waiting for the gun to be delivered and making phone calls to Galazan and shipping back to your gunsmith, and tied up a lot of money and no one has even apologized for the mistake. The tracking number on the package is 1Z62020V0390153154 and it was shipped UPS insured for $15,000. Delivery date is by end of day on Tuesday, 12/13/11. If you want to wait until the gun arrives at Mr. Brunner's shop that is fine, but I would like the check mailed the next day. Please, lets wrap this up. On Dec 8, 2011, at 4:57 PM, J BRYANT wrote: GERRY : I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR REPLY AT ALL? MY GRANDSON HAS RESOLD GUN ALREADY FOR THE SAME EXACT PRICE TO ONE OF TONYS CLIENTS & LOU EVEN SAID IT WAS A SUPER DEAL? I THINK YOU WANTED A 30,000 DOLLAR GUN FOR 15000 ? I WILL SEND YOU A CK. AS SOON AS FREDDY GETS IT BACK? BILLIE From: esetter5@me.com Subject: Re: An inquiry regarding your GunsInternational.com listing #100215519 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:30:38 -0500 To: bb801@msn.com Thank you. That is all I'm asking for. I never said it wasn't a good price on the gun, it just isn't the gun I thought I was buying or that my customer wanted. It was advertised as a baby frame gun and that is what my buyer wanted. The gun is beautiful, just not what he thought he was buying. I'm glad you sold the gun and got your price. Had the gun been what you said it was I would have bought it plain and simple. If roles were reversed and I had listed the gun improperly and you received it and discovered my mistake, I would have apologized to you for the trouble and gotten your money to you as quickly as possible. I just didn't feel I should have to wait several weeks to get my money back. On Dec 8, 2011, at 6:36 PM, J BRYANT wrote: GERRY YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO WAIT SEVERAL WEEKS AS SOON AS FREDDY ACKNOWLEDGES HE HAS IT & INSPECTS IT YOUR CK. WILL BE SENT, BILLIE From: esetter5@me.com Subject: Re: An inquiry regarding your GunsInternational.com listing #100215519 Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:23:55 -0500 To: bb801@msn.com The 21 arrived at Freddy Brunner's shop today and I spoke with him and he assured me it made it there in good condition. I told him you wanted the scratches in the stock repaired and he said he would take care of it. Here is the total amount spent by me which I feel I should have returned: $15080 initial check sent to you for the gun and shipping $140.57 return shipping UPS to Freddy Brunner $15220.57 total amount spent. Please let me know when the check has been mailed. Gerry Addison On Dec 14, 2011, at 3:47 AM, J BRYANT wrote: gerry send exact address for your refund, billie The address is Gerry Addison 7757 Whisper Ln. Okeana, OH 45053 513-405-9900 Thank you. On December 16, 2011 10:39:40 I received the personal check that you mailed today in the amount of $15,000 and I have to say that I wasn't surprised that you didn't pay for the shipping on the gun. After all, you misrepresent a gun as 100% perfect condition and it arrives with scratches all over the stock, and you advertise it as a Baby Frame 28GA and it is a standard frame, just a mere $8000 option that you happened to miss. Why would I expect you to be honest enough to admit your mistake and pay for the shipping. The way that you handled this transaction from beginning to end has been dishonest. You know, you never even once said I'm sorry I made a mistake on the posting, or I'm sorry you went to the trouble to buy something I listed that wasn't as advertised. That would of at least let me know that you feel bad or that there is a some little touch of honesty. Hope the $220 that you cost me makes you feel better. Was it really worth it? From: esetter5@me.com Subject: Re: Unexplainable & Inexcusable Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:28:11 -0500 To: bb801@msn.com Mr. Bryant, please remove me from your mailing list. I have two children in the military and I appreciate you sending this on and I agree with what is written here but you sir cheated me out of $220 and I don't appreciate that. It is not that much money, but I don't like someone to take advantage of me and that is exactly what you did. At this point I'm exploring my options and how I will handle this. Needless to say we won't be doing any business. You taught me a valuable lesson and one I won't forget. I hope at some point I am able to return the favor. Gerry Addison On December 20, 2011 4:11:48 AM EST mr. addison i just returned home from hunting to see your very rude remarks about my grandfather? first off I made the decision on how to handle this refund! i do not believe the explanations you referred to? you looked at 12 close up pics. of the 21 to start with & then asked my brother how much it weighed & he told you a lil over 6 lbs? then you want to return it because it is not the $32,000 dollar 28 ga. 5 lb. model,but the $27,000 dollar model? you paid $15,000 for a new 28 ga. in case that was never fired that you say had handling scratches? if you look in the rules it clearly states that buyer will pay the shipping on returns! it is also disturbing granddad charged 1/2 the shipping you tried charging? you say you have two sons in military ? that's great & very commendable, we have 14 members of our family that are marines four twenty year vets! we will remove you immediately from our emails! regards, robert bryant On December 20, 2011 8:19:43 AM EST If you also read the rules it states: "Nothing will undermine a user's confidence in the item you're looking to sell faster than inaccurate statements or misleading representations about the item. Since any erosion of user confidence in you is likely to be accompanied by erosion of user confidence in us, we care deeply about making sure that the information you supply is accurate and that, in all respects, you treat GunsInternational.com users fairly and honorably. " The very title of your listing states Baby Frame model 21-28GA. Was the gun a Baby Frame, NO IT WAS NOT. You cannot tell if a gun is a baby frame or not by pictures. I trusted your word. I ask you on the phone it if was a baby frame and you said yes. You said I should have been able to tell it was a baby frame by the pictures. You had the gun in your hands and told me it was a baby frame, but I'm suppose to know by pictures? Even after I measured the gun and told you it wasn't right you still insisted it was a baby frame until I called Galazan and they pulled the work order. If in fact you told me it was a little over 6 pounds (which I don't remember doing) you didn't tell the truth there either, it was exactly 6 pounds 15 ounces by my digital scale. I'd say that is a little closer to 7 pounds than 6. I don't care what the gun cost, that has nothing to do with this,it wasn't what you advertised you made a mistake or told a lie. Whatever the case you should have returned all of the money if you were honest and fair. If you ordered a Blue Ford hard top and a Red Ford convertible and a came in would you accept it anyway, even if the convertible cost more, and would the dealer ask you to pay for the transportation fees when you said you didn't want it, wasn't what you ordered? I also ask you on the phone if there were any marks on the stock and you said not a mark anywhere, was that accurate too. I took the pictures of the stock and called you within 5 minutes of receipt of the gun, emailed and called you. I was going to accept the gun with the repairs even though it would then be a refinished gun. I won't accept a gun that is not the model I wanted, or was told I was getting. I sent you an itemized listing of what I spent: $15080 original check sent to you $140 cost to ship it insured for $15000 to your stock man, can provide you receipt for the shipping charges. total owed me $15220 I would like to have the $220 owed me and we'll just call this an honest mistake on your part and forget about it. |
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