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Unread 02-14-2026, 06:05 AM   #21
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What a great gun. Makes me want one.
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Unread 02-14-2026, 08:59 AM   #22
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I have owned both Tournament and Trap Grade 97s, with and without matted barrels, and Tournament Grades with and without black diamond inlays. I also own an original Trap Grade without checkering, but with fancy wood and black diamond inlay. Back when, you got what you asked for or what you were willing to pay for.
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My grandad told me he wore a '97 out, shooting doves, ducks and quail. That is quite a statement and I've always marveled at the amount of wing shooting he would have had to have done to accomplish that.

Whan I was born in '51 he was shooting a Rem. M11 in 16 ga. As I grew to love shotguns I heard of an incident where he killed six quail on a covey rise. I was told this by a hunting partner of his. When I asked him how he did that he said his pumpgun would hold seven shells. I asked him if it had an external hammer and he said yes. Then, I knew he had been using a '97. When I asked him why he didn't keep it he replied "It was worn out!".
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George Madis reported that in 1943 at the height of WW2, Winchester ran an advert on its Model '97 to include one named "Old Reliable" that was then testing shotshells for the Army Air Corps after firing 1,247,000 rounds over 29 years. On March 13, 1914, M.A. Robinson, Winchester Ballistic Engineer, took serial number 128195 at random out of the regular production line. This '97 was assigned exclusively to testing Winchester ammunition and had been fired heavily and with only one broken firing pin and spring over those 29 years. The advert goes on to say that 128195 was given the name "Old Reliable" by factory personnel and now tests the production ammunition used in training aerial machine gunners on how to lead fast moving Axis planes and shoot them out of the skies.

No doubt Old Reliable was cleaned and lubricated regularly but even so, what a record! 1,247,000 rounds. Try that with a modern repeater.
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