CHE 230160 12 ga 30in bbl

[Opening Day]

Originally Posted by Dean Romig

It suggests more to the originality of the short forend.

Without factory records to prove anything about 230160, that forend, in my opinion, looks to be original.





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I agree with Dean on the forend

[Twoatlow8]

According to Michael McIntosh Parker Invincible #230239 has a factory letter.
However search it on the site and no records are available.
I believe whoever was involved with the Invincibles,has access to the "Lost" record book for the guns in the 230xxx range.

[Sam Sellars]

Of note, it looks like the trigger, a single selective trigger, has the numbers on it as well. can just make out the last three digits on it...

[B. Dudley]

Wow... that forend is not much to look at by way of proportion. That must have been a VERY specific customer request as to the size and shape of it for the factory to have made it like that. But... all things point to it being completely original.

[Craig Budgeon]

Sam, for what it is worth I had a deceased friend who owned a Monogram grade L.C.Smith which had nearly identical specs to your CHE, 12 ga. single trigger, swamped rib, 30' brls., apparent choke in both brls., and the short fore end. Several of us didn't feel that was made by L.C. due to the checkering mismatch, inletting, difference in wood color, and difference in grain.

[Sam Sellars]

Craig, this is a friends gun I am researching; all the numbers match, even on the trigger. The wood and checkering match as well.

Who would have made the gun if not LC?

[Pa SxS]

Have a competent gunsmith take the wood off the forend iron and see if the serial number is stamped in the wood.

[Craig Budgeon]

Julian, the L.C. Smith was obviously altered but by a very competent craftsman. It was an early Monogram maybe 1910 sticks in my mind, with a Miller single trigger and a Silvers recoil pad. The gun was purchased between 1973-1975 out of Shotgun News and was used alot as the barrels were off face. The possibility that the same person owned both guns exist, the Smith altered to meet his requirement and the Parker ordered to meet those same requirements. Chasing info on the Smith may lead to info on the Paker.

[Gerald McPherson]

I wonder if the LC had all of the cc rubbed off as it appears to have been done to the Parker. If the same person owned both he may have not liked cc.

[Craig Budgeon]

No, the Smith had 25-30% cc but I maybe generous. The butt stock was refinished and probably the barrels. The barrels were put back on face. I have not seen the gun in 30+ years so my recollections may not be totally accurate.