Question for small bore shooters. - Page 3

William Davis · 05-10-2016, 11:55 AM

If you read the classic English books Percy Stanbury or Robert Churchill they both advocate forward hand positions. Stanbury more than Churchill, but he was tall and thin Churchill short and stocky. Stanbury and Churchill's books are very good and available from Amazon

Any sport I have ever participated in Form is one of the most important things. Good Form and getting your position right gives you a foundation for improvement.

Don't watch Skeet shooters for form though. Memorized break points locked in positions. Shooting Skeet for practice is great but close your ears to 90 % of the advice you will get. Fellow yesterday hit rate way less than mine was telling me to shoot high gun hard cheek on the stock, lock my knees and hips. Not a recipe for success except on the Skeet field. Even skeet crouch and locked hips is not good.

William

William Davis · 05-10-2016, 01:57 PM

Tom

He's right because crossers are the targets with lowest hit rate most shooters. Only thing is take 3 4 & 5 low gun and if the club will let you, behind and in front of the shooting box. Same target all the time get good at it then go to longer targets, it's another thing.

William

Bill Murphy · 05-10-2016, 02:19 PM

I will only give you a tidbit of information because I normally charge $400 an hour for individual instruction and I don't want to overcharge you. OK, here goes. Light gun, heavy gun, put them in your hands in shooting position. Move the gun with your eyes and your body the same way, regardless of the weight of the gun. Overpower or muscle the heavy gun so that that it feels the same as the light one. Use your eyes to approach the target, not your arms. When you start the heavy gun, don't let the weight of the gun slow you down. Don't swing either gun like it is a bat. The gun is attached to your upper body and should move with the target at the same speed, no matter the weight of the gun. Gun too heavy? Remember, you are a man and shouldn't notice. Gun too light? Don't push the gun at the speed you are physically able to push it. That is too fast. Follow the target with your eyes and pretend that the gun is not there. It is hard to overswing on a target that you are actually seeing well. Why in hell should you swing the gun faster than the target is moveing. Use your eyes to determine how fast the target is moving. OK, that's it. No charge.

C.O.B. · 05-10-2016, 03:11 PM

I shoot better when I'm aggressive no matter if it's a 12 or a 410.
When I shot registered skeet I used a Beretta 687 EELL with 30 inch barrels and Briley sub gauge tubes. My scores with the 20ga were better and I ended up shooting the 20 in the 12ga event and doubles. Back then we didn't have the lighter 12ga loads we do now.

Dean Romig · 05-10-2016, 03:29 PM

The .410 SKEETER that I owned a few years back weighed 6 lbs., 12 oz. with either set of barrels. (both were 26") I shot better skeet scores with that gun than any 12, 16, or 20 that I ever used.

I think that tubed gun gave you a few more ounces in the barrels and some folks just do better with a gun that is slightly heavier in the front end to help with a smoother swing for the way they hold the gun.

What point did we miss?

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C.O.B. · 05-10-2016, 03:51 PM

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What point did we miss?

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I'm looking for it. If Daisy finds she will hold point until we figure it out

C.O.B. · 05-10-2016, 03:56 PM

Craig lets shoot a round of 20ga at Hausmanns. Maybe we can help each other, it's been a very long time since I had to swing an 8lb 12 ga

Some of us will arrive Wed to shoot Rock Mtn on Thursday if you would care to join us. I plan on shooting the upgraded 28 at the Rock.

Bill Murphy · 05-10-2016, 04:25 PM

OK, another $400 worth. Dean, I doesn't know what "Other folks" as you describe them, do with a heavy gun or a light gun. It is your job to shoot well with all guns. You are not locked into one gun or the other. You must learn how to shoot all guns rather than to have an excuse for the gun you are shooting today. Dr. Truitt doesn't excuse himself when he is shooting a light gun or a short gun. He shoots them all well and makes his corrections over the next few months. OK, this was not a freebie. You owe me $400.

Dean Romig · 05-10-2016, 07:57 PM

Before I pay you Bill, you first need to convince me that you had a valid reason to single me out.

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Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

OK, another $400 worth. Dean, I doesn't know what "Other folks" as you describe them, do with a heavy gun or a light gun. It is your job to shoot well with all guns. You are not locked into one gun or the other. You must learn how to shoot all guns rather than to have an excuse for the gun you are shooting today. Dr. Truitt doesn't excuse himself when he is shooting a light gun or a short gun. He shoots them all well and makes his corrections over the next few months. OK, this was not a freebie. You owe me $400.

Craig Larter · 05-10-2016, 03:49 PM

Thanks everyone excellent input. When I forgot about the gun I shot well when I started thinking about how little and light it is i struggled. If I got aggressive with the target i way over swung. If I slowed down my swing it smoothed out. Practice practice it's fun to work on a skill outside your comfort zone.