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Unread 05-08-2022, 09:45 AM   #21
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Ask the question again in another 100 years.
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Greg, and all, I concur with Dave Trevallion's assessment of the Parker Reproductions. I have spent many hours with Dave at his home and in his shop and we've talked a lot about these Parker Reproductions.
I've owned a few Repros and liked them very much, in fact my grandchildren will soon inherit Kathy's 28 gauge Repro Skeet gun.

Value is one thing and the value of an original Parker and that of a Repro is very subjective. The 'market' (real gun buyers) is what sets value but as David says, "Parker Reproduction guns were in every respect equal, if not superior, to the originals." he wasn't making reference to the value placed on them by the market. They were manufactured of better steel alloys, machined, in most respects, to finer tolerances and also in most cases (excluding the overly heavy twenty-gauges) handled just as sweetly as the originals. The fact that the checkering did not have mullered borders was not an oversight, but simply because of the fact that the original Parkers Mr. Skuese sent to be copied were all Ilion made Remington Parkers which did not have mullered borders. The workers at Kodensha were instructed to copy exactly the guns they were sent - and they did, and they did a truly superior job of it.

I have never owned an original Parker .410 nor a Repro .410 and I don't have the desire to and IMO they kind of fell on their faces with regard to the barrel separation (distance between bore axis at the muzzle) - somehow I think they could have done better.

The original Parkers have that mystique that the Repros won't have for several more generations of shooters - their sons and grandsons... and their grandsons after them.

Just my HO but I think Dave Trevallion nailed it.





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I think he's correct but just look at the sell price in the last couple years.As Dean said the guns are two different animals but the repro's are getting legs now and creeping up in price quicker.I suspect it will top out soon.
I like both and own both but when holding an original I think of what that gun has done and seen in the last 100 plus years.The repro I get to make those memories for myself and whomever follows.Holding a gun and using a gun that's been around for over a 100yrs is thrilling.
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In the same auction where the Repro .410 sold for $16,500, an original VHE sold for $30,000 plus the buyer's premium. The auction was Poulin's, just concluded.
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In the same auction where the Repro .410 sold for $16,500, an original VHE sold for $30,000 plus the buyer's premium. The auction was Poulin's, just concluded.
Bill, that was a .410 VHE?
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Yes, a rather high condition VHE.
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So, whats the consensus on this one? I certainly will never be a woodworker but that BT forend fit to the latch metal is atrocious. Looks to be a crack on the RH side too.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...n_id=101960052
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Many of the same odd things are going on with this gun as the other one in this thread. It's a made up gun, likely on an 0-frame with aftermarket CSMC barrels, barrel wedge engraving, BT forend and case. The S/N appears removed from the tang, etc. I make no claim of being a wood species expert, but the wood, to my eyes, appears to be Claro walnut (Juglans hindsii) and not English walnut (Juglans regia) as the seller claims.

I agree with you Ryan regarding the latch fit and apparent crack.

Caveat emptor. But hey, someone may fall in love with it.
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Looks like another pieced together slop job. Forearm is not a D grade & has multible cracks with terrible checkering & fit
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