Winchester Model 97

[charlie cleveland]

what a blast beycha need ear plugs for this one..really nice cannon..charlie

[Steve McCarty]

I am blown away by that beautiful Model 97! After reading every word that Sherman Bell wrote about shooting damascus barrels I am confident in shooting mine with standard shells, but I do lean towards shells that produce no more than 10k cup. Nine is better yet.

Bell did his best to destroy Parker (other makers too) damascus barrels and he had a heck of a time to load one heavy enough to get it to blow and even then he had to jam an obstruction of some sort down the tube. I do shoot a lot of RST, but not because I have to.

It would be a treat to shoot that fine 97! Just holding it would be a joy.

[Mike Franzen]

I would love to find one of those. I've heard there were only 5 made that way. One was owned by a celeb ( I can't remember his name, but he was featured hunting with it on some show).

[GH-16]

Originally Posted by Mike Franzen

I would love to find one of those. I've heard there were only 5 made that way. One was owned by a celeb ( I can't remember his name, but he was featured hunting with it on some show).

I know of four Damascus barreled 97's. The two featured here, another a collector friend ran across & the one I just sent off to Bachelders for Brad to look over. I'm sure there are many more, but how many is anyones guess, it was an expensive upgrade for a technology that was on the way out at the time.

Charley,

After re-reading the text. Winchester said they proofed the barrels with 9 1/2 drams & the assembled gun at 4 1/2 drams. I assume they had some sort of test fixture they mounted just the barrels in and probably loaded the barrel full of powder & shot for the test charge. Just my guess !!

[Steve McCarty]

I read somewhere that every single Model 97 model 12 was a 2 3/4 inch gun. Is that true? Early model 12s were not, and I had to have a Nickle Steel gun's chamber lengthened some. I also had the forcing cone eased. I have not touched my 97.

[charlie cleveland]

thanks for the up date on the powder charge...that makes since to me now...maybe they used some of those long 6 inch 12 ga hulls i ve seen they would hold 9 1/2 drams of powder and 2 1/2 ounce of shot....any way a stout charge for sure and the 4 1/2 drams is a stout load too...charlie

[Steve McCarty]

According to Bell, the reason that damascus barrels got the rep for blowing up was that the first smokeless powders closely mimicked black in volume, so guys could reload their shell with smokeless using the BP scoop/equipment. Smokeless, again from Bell, first came out in 1863!

Then someone invented something like Unique, and when loaded to equal volume as black, a shell so loaded produced 80,000 cup. BOOM! In short, damascus barrels have always been plenty strong. The Brits have been re-proofing them for years!

Now, should we go around trying to blow up a damascus barrel? Nope, your off hand goes with it and maybe a few were poorly made. But I don't hesitate to shoot my GH with standard shells. It is full and full so I shoot RST spreaders in one tube and a standard shell in the other. Viola! I've got a full and modified gun!

[Milton Starr]

Originally Posted by Steve McCarty

According to Bell, the reason that damascus barrels got the rep for blowing up was that the first smokeless powders closely mimicked black in volume, so guys could reload their shell with smokeless using the BP scoop/equipment. Smokeless, again from Bell, first came out in 1863!

Then someone invented something like Unique, and when loaded to equal volume as black, a shell so loaded produced 80,000 cup. BOOM! In short, damascus barrels have always been plenty strong. The Brits have been re-proofing them for years!

Now, should we go around trying to blow up a damascus barrel? Nope, your off hand goes with it and maybe a few were poorly made. But I don't hesitate to shoot my GH with standard shells. It is full and full so I shoot RST spreaders in one tube and a standard shell in the other. Viola! I've got a full and modified gun!

steve my 10 bore if choked M/F and agree about the ruggedness of good Damascus . I have done put about 40rds through my Damascus barrels and love em

[Bruce Day]

Returning to the top for the person who asked if anyone has seen a composite barreled '97.