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Unread 04-07-2022, 12:38 PM   #21
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Those loads look awesome! Wish someone made clear 10 gauge hulls. I finally got my hands on 5 pounds of #5’s copper plated lead yesterday. Figured I would try it in my my 1873 Charles Daly 10 gauge SXS with my load I used last year for turkeys. A 100 grain of FG, a 1/4” nitro card, a 1 5/8oz payload, an overshot card, and a 4 pin roll crimp. I’ve used 2 oz of #5’s for decades in my modern 10…a browning gold National Wild Turkey federation gun. Both federal and Winchester 2oz #5’s pattern close to the same. No matter what choke I use in it every 2 1/4oz load I have tried with the the exception of the long discontinued Remington 2 1/4oz #6 load would not pattern as well as a 2 oz load in all three browning golds and H&R turkey rifle. All factory loads tested only of course. Wish I had some nickel plated shot to try but the copper plated will have to do. I just got my hands on a bag of SP10 wads and X10x gas seals. To bad the only powders I have will only work up to 2oz loads or I’d load up some 2 1/4oz or more loads to try. That #4 pattern is impressive at 40 yards! What kind of 10 gauge are you using? Didn’t see it listed in your post. The T shot penetration doesn’t surprise me. I still have some the original heavy shot factory loads in 10 and 12 gauge. Four years ago i was out at farm where coyotes were coming in and killing calves on a consistent basis. I called in and shot a coyote at 109 yards with a Remington HD 3” BB load that morning. Broke two of its legs with the shot and bloodied it up pretty good. I was calling and it hung up. It was coyote #4 for the morning in the same area and guessing he started figuring out what was going on because he hung up far enough out that he thought he was safe. I knew the coyote was out too far. I guessed it was around 80 yards so I took a Hail Mary and aimed a foot over its head and let the gun fly. I dropped it instantly. About two minutes later into my calling the yote literally came back to life and took three tries at belling rolling around. It got up to start dragging itself away at a snails pace. I shot twice again but I must have not connected as it kept dragging itself away. My buddy who was our 20 yards away facing the other direction immediately came over and finished it off with his rifle. The HD BB is tough stuff. I have a few rounds left of it in tripple B and T as well. I normally wait till the average yote is within 25 yards before pulling the trigger so it’s not a common practice to shoot that far. But I can tell you if it connects in the right spot it will get the job done.
The reason I bought the F shot is it was highly recommended by some predator hunters. They shoot alot of the HTL shots but the BPI nickel plated Fs are a good alternative. Before I got into doubles I owned a few 10 ga 3.5" magnums best lead turkey load I found in the 10 magnum was the Winchester 2oz of #5s at 1300 fps. I also used a bit of the Remington 2 1/4oz #4s for squirrels.

That #4 pattern is out of my 6 frame NH 10 ga, I believe its choked full/full but Id have to look to be sure. Going back and looking what surprises me is the point of aim is about dead on with the point of impact. Every pump action I ever owned the poi and poa were usually way different.

I just got in a order of nickel plated 5s from BPI think it was $58 and $15 for shipping these are up next in the 10 and 8 gauge.
I really like the clear hulls for when im loading buckshot so I can get each pellet positioned how I want. I wish Winchester would use the plastic in these industrial hulls in other gauges, perhaps sell them as a reloading component only.
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them see thru Winchester loads really look good....at 20 yards that raccoon is gona be buzzard bait....ha pelt will be hard to patch up them holes in....meat will be hard to eat with all that lead in it...charlie
Charlie I figure for meat just head shot them, Charlie at least in my neck of the woods when it comes to selling the pelt they toss the pelt and bbq the rest.
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Found this penetration chart.
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some good penetration on those loads I guess bb is my favorite shot size ....use to see bb and no 2 on the boxes of shells for turkeys.....them old blue peters paper hull 10 ga were my favorite....can not legally use bb for turkey now but I ve got some no 2 layed out .....charlie
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some good penetration on those loads I guess bb is my favorite shot size ....use to see bb and no 2 on the boxes of shells for turkeys.....them old blue peters paper hull 10 ga were my favorite....can not legally use bb for turkey now but I ve got some no 2 layed out .....charlie
Probably could in Florida I mean if you can legally shoot them there with a 300 win mag, BB shouldn't cause a stir lol.

Charlie I was testing my heat treated shot using a scale to determine how much force it takes to flatten different pellets. The untreated Fs were 45lbs of force to flatten and the treated ones even at 80lbs they were barely marred. The nickel plated #5s I tried heat treating but it doesn't work on them. From my reading heat treating lead depends on the arsenic content of your particular lead. I find it Interesting how doing this you can get the hardness of linotype but without the brittleness.

Charlie Hornady still makes a 12 ga lead bb load its called coyote magnum or something like that. The heaviest load I see for the 12 ga even up to 3.5" with the F shot is 1 3/4oz. Makes me wonder if that's all that will fit in a 12 ga. For the 2 1/4oz 8 ga loads the F shot requires 1/4" less fiber wadding compared to #5s.
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