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Dean has it. It is the frame size. Look at the weights of those guns. The 12 gauge guns are very heavy, indicating maybe a #3 frame, which is a 2 1/2 in Parker shop language. Chuck, what does Dean win? By the way, for those of you that don't own a Serialization Book, the same information is on page 527 of The Parker Story. Good work, Dean. I spent five days in those books and couldn't figure it out.
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02-01-2014, 10:14 PM
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wouldn't be a DAC amount
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02-01-2014, 11:01 PM
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That's what I thought until I found the chart in the ID & Ser book. Now I'm convinced it is the width of the bolsters according to the chart and the other specs on the guns.
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02-01-2014, 11:35 PM
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it may be the length of choke
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02-01-2014, 11:41 PM
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it may be why we see so many 30 in. barrels cut down to 28 in , if you cut off 2 in. you go from full to impv. cyl. ,just a guess.
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02-02-2014, 08:46 AM
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Chuck,
There is info in the stock books about Drams of Shot unsed in patterning. Please refer to page 866 of TPS. It shows a photo of a near full stock book page from 1928. unfourtunately the top neader columns are not in the photo, but it does go all the way to the side. It shows a column with a date in it even ferther than the one you mention. But, it shows the same fractional number after patterning info. In this case, mostly 2-1/2 and 3. But, on this page all of the letters do have "dr." or drs. written after it. The couple other examples of stock book pages in TPS are photocopies, just like the ones you use, which cut off those last columns. Page 866 is the only actual Photo of a full page in TPS. Also, See this attached photo of a stock book from 1913. I took this photo while I was at Remington. It is the one stock book that is on display in their museum. This shows the column headers. The column that you are referring to is labeled "Remarks" in this book. And they same info we speal of is listed here as well. With "Drs" after it. And it looks like they note that 7/8 oz of shot was used in most cases (in a few going as high as 1-1/4 oz) right before the drams of powder. Parker Trip 142.jpg The 1928 example in TPS also shows the oz. of shot and drams. And also those dates. One above that info and then another date with a large "X". Looks like there was a variation in header titles from 1913 to 1928.
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WAIT A MIN... !!!!
I noticed something else when looking at the photo I have of the 1913 stock book from Remington. Later stock books used a column just after the grade to record frame size. The first ones were hand written and the even later ones used rubber stamps for the frame size. The 1913 example does not have a column next to grade for frame size. However... they list frame size in the final column under the "Remarks" column along with the shot size and drams of powder, but above that info in the row. See in this cropped down photo of that page, that the top row actual says "Frame", and then the other rows following just list the number. In the first many examples they are 0 frame guns in 20g. as shown by the bore size a few columns before. But... Look about 3/4 of the way down when it gets to three rows for 12 bore guns. It lists 2-3/8 as the frame size??? Frame size 2.jpg What is up with that method of recording the frame size? In this 1913 example 2-3/8, no doubt means 2 frame. But why the 3/8?
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