Winchester 1897 Black Diamond Trap

[Bill Murphy]

Dave, rehab is good. I'm driving and going to the gun club a couple of times a week, but not shooting yet. Using the cane outside the house.

[Stepmac]

Originally Posted by david ross

I use a mod 37 ithaca to great old pump guns.
All the best Dave.

I own two 37s, a 16 and a 12. I put choke tubes in the 12. I like 37's. The 16 is light as a feather, and while not new, it looks as such. I bought, not long ago, a bran new Remington 870 in 20 gauge which was less $ that an Ithaca of similar gauge. I also have five Model 12s in 20, 16 and a few 12s, so I'm pretty well "pumped".

[charlie cleveland]

them old 97 s are fine guns..most seen a lot of hard use and were hunted hard but most have survived...ive got a good shooter in the 97 its a 12 ga 30 inch full choke and kicks like a mule with high brass shells.... charlie

[Stepmac]

Originally Posted by charlie cleveland

them old 97 s are fine guns..most seen a lot of hard use and were hunted hard but most have survived...ive got a good shooter in the 97 its a 12 ga 30 inch full choke and kicks like a mule with high brass shells.... charlie

Pumps were cutting edge shotguns at the turn of the century (the one before last) and were extremely popular for several decades. I still like them. When I was a kid almost everyone shot a pump; a few autos. As a s a college kid someone loaned me a double with a plastic stock! I did fine with it. Have no idea what it was.

I have had trouble shooting a pump at skeet, but I'm not that good. If I could break the first bird quickly I'd have plenty of time to work that trombone.

I like the pencil thin feel of a pump, but I like the old world mystic of the double. I have been shooting trap and skeet and want to shoot my old doubles; a Parker GH, a Fox Sterlingworth, a Spanish ASTRA and an "I" grade Lefever. No one shoots guns like these in my club. No one cares tho. I can shoot whatever I want to shoot.

Here is the question; does anyone shoot one of these old doubles with the low comb at trap/skeet and do any good with them? I suppose I'd have to "cover the bird" but that's okay with me....if it works.

[Holeshot]

I have shot some really good registered trap scores with a solid rib model 12. So yes, anything is possible. Dave

[Stepmac]

Originally Posted by David Holes

I have shot some really good registered trap scores with a solid rib model 12. So yes, anything is possible. Dave

Thank you. My model 12, 12 doesn't have a rib, but my Model 12, 16 does. Does the rib make that much difference? The thing is the 12 gauge has cast off and when mounted my eye lines up perfectly along the barrel. I've never shot it at trap, but will.

[Holeshot]

My first parker was a vh 12, 28 inch, imp mod and full. First time shooting skeet I broke a 24. High 8 proved tough with that choke. I walked off station 7 with 2 clouds of smoke on a windless day that left my fellow shooters amazed. What fun. I now shoot a SBT and a vh skeet gun and shoot very well indeed. Dave

[Stepmac]

Originally Posted by David Holes

My first parker was a vh 12, 28 inch, imp mod and full. First time shooting skeet I broke a 24. High 8 proved tough with that choke. I walked off station 7 with 2 clouds of smoke on a windless day that left my fellow shooters amazed. What fun. I now shoot a SBT and a vh skeet gun and shoot very well indeed. Dave

It sounds to me that you are a better shot than I. I like your spirit. I'm shooting my SBT in trap and will continue to do so. Been shooting a Browning Gold Fusion with the skeet choke screwed in at skeet. It works okay, but I liked my old Rem 1100 better... I no longer own the gun. I've also shot a SKB Ithaca 385 with skeet chokes for skeet. It worked okay, but I just don't like the feel of the gun.

Fact is, I was raised a hunter and while we did shoot trap when the season started, we only did it to sharpen our eye for the feathered fowl.

Shooting clays is an entirely different breed of cat, and while I like it; hunting is best.

[Dean Romig]

Parkers are all I shoot at skeet, trap and sporting clays and I do sufficiently well not to cause me to want to shoot a pump, gas job, or OU instead.

[Holeshot]

I have shot alot of single barrel trap guns , My SBT Parker is amazing. Dave