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Old 06-24-2026, 11:21 PM   #11
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Perfect timing for this…I just hand loaded 100 hulls over the last two nights using the BP X insert. Hoping they will open up a F/F choked gun for me.

Chain reaction though after all that hand loading and my roll crimps being so terrible is I now have a Sizemaster on the way lol.
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Old 06-25-2026, 05:07 AM   #12
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Perfect timing for this…I just hand loaded 100 hulls over the last two nights using the BP X insert. Hoping they will open up a F/F choked gun for me.

Chain reaction though after all that hand loading and my roll crimps being so terrible is I now have a Sizemaster on the way lol.
They work. I have loaded those to occasionally shoot sporting or skeet with a short ten. They opened the pattern from Remington 1894 that shot 92/93% at 40 yards to 56%.
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I had a 28 that could shoot thru a Cherrio without scratching it, and Jay gave me a handful of 28 ga brush wads. They seemed to work pretty well. I had also tried using overshot cards divided evenly over each 1/4oz of shot (3/4oz loads) with noticeable opening. I can't say it didn't open up some holes in the pattern, not having shot them at the patterning board.
Some time ago, Frank Srebro posted a picture of a plexiglass template he had made for drawing a patterning paper. That could be handy if he could post it again.
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......... Some time ago, Frank Srebro posted a picture of a plexiglass template he had made for drawing a patterning paper. That could be handy if he could post it again.
Edgar, I'll see what I can do tomorrow.
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I had a 28 that could shoot thru a Cherrio without scratching it, and Jay gave me a handful of 28 ga brush wads. They seemed to work pretty well. I had also tried using overshot cards divided evenly over each 1/4oz of shot (3/4oz loads) with noticeable opening. I can't say it didn't open up some holes in the pattern, not having shot them at the patterning board.
Some time ago, Frank Srebro posted a picture of a plexiglass template he had made for drawing a patterning paper. That could be handy if he could post it again.
Edgar, I asked Frank about his template. I remembered it but wasn’t exactly sure on the details. He is going to look for it but he said it was like a donut and thinks the OD was 30” and the ID 18”. He’ll probably reply here.
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Here are pics and a description of the template I had made up in prep for my article "Too High Still" in Volume 28/Issue 3 of the Double Gun Journal. For those interested the article compared three long range duck guns to include a Super-Fox, Winchester 21 Duck, and a Winchester Model 12 Heavy Duck. All 3-inch chambered and tested with lead shot and a variety of non-tox shot. The template is made in two parts with transparent packing tape as a hinge for easier storage. Made of 1/8" transparent plastic and donut shaped; I don't know the type of plastic. The two pieces were laser cut by a friend in industry. Outer diameter is 30" and inner diameter is 20" to check the "hot core" of the patterns.

In use the pattern paper is put up on a backing at 40 yards and a sticky note, green leaf or similar is attached to its dead center as an aiming point. An aimed shot is fired and the template is put over the paper on a table and the actual point of impact (POI) is determined by eyeballing the template over the densest part of the pattern. Usually the POI doesn't coincide with the aiming point at center of the paper. Then the pellet counts inside the 30" and 20" circles are divided by the total pellets as were counted inside the shotshell to calculate the patterning efficiencies (percentage) within those circles.

Template is equally useful for checking actual POI and pattern percentage at closer range or at ranges beyond 40 yards. Spreaders will often have a hole in the center of the pattern and I highly recommend checking yours on paper at various yardages before heading out to hunt.

For info, the first pic posted here is a factory 3IN. Super-Fox with 1-3/8 ounces of Kent TM at 60 yards. Template is shown in the second pic.
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Old 06-26-2026, 10:15 AM   #18
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Are their any spreader inserts for 28 ga loads?
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Polywad made 20/28 spreaders that worked very well if you can find any. Unfortunately they are out of business.
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My VHE 28 gauge skeet is bored .000 and .000. It is my "spreader" 28 gauge. Obviously, it was ordered by someone who understood what a skeet gun should be. Another of my Parker 28s is a VH bored .000 and .020, obviously ordered by someone who knew what a quail gun should be.
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