English gun makers - reputations

[Milton Starr]

Well the purdy I got to play with on the plantation didn't look like it was a 80k gun. It didn't.make.me drool.

Oh yell why leave.out cogswell&harrison they make custom guns I mean true custom not.custom "features ". Also of those you listed who is.still in business. I wish I could find someone to make a sxs.8 ga under 15k . Greener said a sxs 8 would run 300,000$ and a wouldn't be done till 2019 . Yeah I laughed hard to. I like the shotguns I seen on c&h website though.

because a Churchill would be my first choice of all the "Best" London guns- The family was involved in shooting- live birds, clays, game on the wing- I also like the Churchill method of leading a crossing bird- at least the way I have understood it- you move ahead of the bird's head and with the muzzles moving, shoot- And McIntosh in his Shotgunning books details the 16 yard precise targeting for proper gun fit- I have handled two Churchill Premiere sidelock 12 bores- both the XXV series- and with the exception that I'd prefer 28" barrels over the 25" XXV, straight grip, small forearm, solid red Silvers pad- heck, as long as we're dreaming here- make it a matched pair- 2.75" chambers proofed for 1 & 1/8 oz. game/target loads- and choked 1/4 right barrel and 1/2 choke in the left- file cut rib--

[Milton Starr]

You know the.straight grip is something else. I've seen people shooting with regular pistol grip and maybe have a 20-30% hit ratio and switch over the the.english grip and have a 60-70% hit ratio. Me personally like the prince of wales grip.

Originally Posted by Milton Starr

You know the.straight grip is something else. I've seen people shooting with regular pistol grip and maybe have a 20-30% hit ratio and switch over the the.english grip and have a 60-70% hit ratio. Me personally like the prince of wales grip.

--My pre-1913 12 gauge L.C. Smiths have capped pistol grips, but are radiused more like a POW grip- than say a pistol grip on a 1955 era M21 with single trigger- The 1911 Ithaca Grade 1 20 I now have has a capped pg, but again, is a shallow radius- which I like- ditto the pre-1935 stock design on the 1932 mfg. M12 20 gauge my Dad gave me when I turned 11--

Now centerfire BA rifles- at least the Mauser98-1903-M-54 and later M7O Winchesters- with one trigger, I like the pre-WW2 design as to grip radius- Never have owned a Mannlicher with double set triggers, so I can't speak to that issue--

[C.O.B.]

I much prefer the straight grip, I think it's faster when your mounting the gun. You see very few English guns with a pistol grip stock.

[Milton Starr]

Well I think if its a.american ordering the.gun from say a maker.like.purdey it will probably have.a pistol grip. If the gun is being ordered for a brit then it will probably.have a straight grip. Never shot a gun with a straight stock .

[C.O.B.]

The majority of my Parkers are straight grip guns. once you use one you won't want a PG gun again.

[Milton Starr]

I like.the way.the.straight stock looks.on.the. smaller gauges.like the 16 and 28 but on the.big bores I like.the way the.pistol grip looks