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I’m curious as to why a 1923 gun would have 2 1/2” chambers? Maybe to bump pressure/velocity for trap competitions?
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05-27-2025, 12:08 AM
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I thought so too, having always heard the 12 bores were chambered 2 5/8 for 2 3/4 shells. When I looked at TPS, however, the factory chart from 1920 clearly shows 2 1/2" chambering as standard for the 12 ga. See Vol. 2, p. 519, Fig. 12-18. I measured them with both a fixed diameter Walker gauge, and my inside dial caliper. Definitely 2 1/2 inches.
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05-27-2025, 08:10 AM
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That would be 2 1/2" chambers for 2 5/8" shells, the most popular shell of that era.
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05-27-2025, 09:43 AM
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The "standard" 12-gauge field loads with 1- or 1 1/8-ounce of shot came in the 2 5/8-inch shell, but from 1907 onwards our ammunition manufacturers only put the 1 1/4-ounce loads in 2 3/4-inch or longer shells and "trap loads" whether 1 1/8- or 1 1/4-ounce came in 2 3/4-inch shells.
That said, the 12-gauge Parker Bros. hang-tags I've managed to save pictures of are very confusing, several showing targeting with 1 1/4-ounce and saying "Use Shells 2 5/8" -- 213855 12-gauge, 2 5-8-inch, 1 1-4 ounce.jpg Others do show 2 3/4-inch shells -- 108998 12-gauge, 2 3-4 inch, 1 1-4 ounce.jpeg or targeting with 1 1/8-ounce and "Use Shells 2 5/8" -- 211184 12-gauge, 2 5-8 inch, 1 1-8 ounce.jpg 214724 01 12-ga 2 5-8 inch.jpg |
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05-27-2025, 10:27 AM
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And that information begs the question “why would a ‘competition’ gun of 1923 have 2 1/2” chambers?”
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05-27-2025, 11:09 AM
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VHE
This is one of those Parkers that has tons of character. It saw lots of action and served its owners well. And the unique checkering pattern makes it even more interesting.
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05-27-2025, 01:28 PM
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Here are some pages from a January 1, 1925, Remington ammunition Price List with the 12-gauge 2 3/4-inch loads annotated.
January 1, 1925 Price List Page 5.jpg January 1, 1925 Price List Page 6.jpg January 1, 1925 Price List Page 7.jpg January 1, 1925 Price List Page 10.jpg Before 1907, Union Metallic Cartridge Co. offered a Load No. 5 or X5 that was 2 3/4-dram and 1 1/4-ounce of shot in a 2 5/8-inch shell which was dropped by 1907, and Load No. 8 or X8 came in a 2 5/8-inch case. Remington Arms Co. used Load No. 8 to target their doubles -- 223223 front.jpg 131920 01 front, ARROW Load No. 8, 2 5-8 inch.jpeg 135127 00 hang tag 1907 vintage, NITRO CLUB Load No. X8, 2 5-8 inch.jpg Beginning in the July 1907 UMC Price Lists Load No. 8 and X8 were in a 2 3/4-inch case. |
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05-27-2025, 02:27 PM
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[QUOTE=Dean Romig;430708]And that information begs the question “why would a ‘competition’ gun of 1923 have 2 1/2” chambers?”
I'm not so sure it's a competition gun.
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