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Unread 01-09-2025, 10:08 PM   #11
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I feel like I've seen that front end lower dog on something of mine before, and I'll check to see (and if I can discern a "rock" in the engraving).

Also, if it's okay to ask -- that last photo of an engraved dog: when was that made? I would swear it is from the era Dean suggests -- the 1920s. I hope I'm not getting us off the trail, but inquiring minds want to know (and so do I).
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I feel like I've seen that front end lower dog on something of mine before, and I'll check to see (and if I can discern a "rock" in the engraving).

Also, if it's okay to ask -- that last photo of an engraved dog: when was that made? I would swear it is from the era Dean suggests -- the 1920s. I hope I'm not getting us off the trail, but inquiring minds want to know (and so do I).

Frederick Anschutz died in 1930 and we see none of those dogs engraved later than that year. I’m sure some were still “in the works” at the time of his death and they may have order dates a bit later but still within 1930-31, I would think.





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Frederick Anschutz died in 1930 and we see none of those dogs engraved later than that year. I’m sure some were still “in the works” at the time of his death and they may have order dates a bit later but still within 1930-31, I would think.





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So, wouldn't this style dog fit within the 1920s timeframe, as it matches all of my guns from that time (that have dogs)?

So, Edgar, when was this engraving done?
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It absolutely would Garry.-
Anschutz, tenure as the Parker chief engraver was from 1911-1930.





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The gun shown in the last photo was engraved by Henry Gough, in 1897. It is a 16ga DH.
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The gun shown in the last photo was engraved by Henry Gough, in 1897. It is a 16ga DH.

Here we go again Edgar.... I must strongly disagree with that statement. Look again at the picture then look at the gun's serial number. That is an Anschutz engraved "setter".
I don't need to see the serial number to know what I'm looking at.

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Here we go again Edgar.... I must strongly disagree with that statement. Look again at the picture then look at the gun's serial number. That is an Anschutz engraved "setter".
I don't need to see the serial number to know what I'm looking at.

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I'm with Dean on this. I've never seen a gun as early as that with that style setter...and have seen plenty in the 1920s with the strongly contoured, simplistic drawing like the one in that third photo. Check the serial number again. Perhaps you have confused it with another of your guns(?). I certainly can be wrong, and I'm an expert in absolutely nothing.
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I'm with Dean on this. Perhaps you have confused it with another of your guns(?). I certainly can be wrong, and I'm an expert in absolutely nothing.
The two of you are bent on convincing me I should be in a home.
I have 6 grade 3 guns and I could have grabbed one gun, then when I went to check when it was made, grabbed another. I will check when I get home.
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You are a good and gracious man to indulge us, Edgar.
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