Super Fox

[Bill Murphy]

Destry, your Super Fox is vastly superior to 99% of other standard Super Foxes. Many of us would have been glad to pay what you paid for that gun. Charlie, the best patterning gun with big shot that I have ever patterned was an overchoked standard bore 30" Philadelphia Fox. Unfortunately, the fellow I sold it to drilled it out. When it patterned so great, it had 3 1/4" chambers and about .042 and .043 of choke. I will measure the present chokes in that gun first chance I get. I have not patterned a Super with big shot yet.

[charlie cleveland]

bill sounds like that super fox of yours would have been a fine fine duck gun or a sure enough good turkey gun...the smith 3 inch i have is not full choke i have not measured it yet but a dime will slip down the barrels.....it patterns ok but wish the chokes were tighter...i like full or extra full guns the best....that fox you had would have suited me the way it came with those tight chokes....

[MarketHunter]

I've not fired the big Fox as of yet. It had a modern recoil pad on it but thankfully the stock hadn't been cut down. Picked up a repro buttplate for it that needs fitted before I do any serious shooting. Fits me a lot better at buttplate length, it's a little low in the stock so being that much further forward on the comb gives me a bit better view of the end of the tubes.

Picked up a case and a half of Kent TM 3 inch shells loaded with 1 1/2 of #1 shot. Will put a couple on paper and see how it throws the big stuff once the buttplate is in place.

My Parker magnum 10 gauge doesn't throw BB worth a damn nor the 2 1/4 ounce loadings of #2 either. But you feed it 2 ounces of #2 and it will hold them together a long way out.


Destry

[charlie cleveland]

hurry up and shoot thatbig super fox destrey...hope it eill put the whole load in a30 at 40 steps...isnt funny how our guns pattern looks like they would all shoot the same but most are as finnicky as a old 57 chev i still got...best patterning gun i have is a 10 ga lc smith shooting gauge mates in 12 ga using 3 inch rem no 5 shot..at 50 long steps it will average 13 shot in a pop can...most guns i have will only put 6 to 8 shot in the can and i have tried every gun i have from the 410 to the old 8 ga....makes me mad thet old 10 will out shoot my old 8 especially shooting a 12 ga shell in a 10 .... charlie

[Old and Reliable]

Me too Charlie- I never weighed the 'project' 12 Fox HE I once owned, but I pattern tested it-it was Full in both barrels, and would obliterate pattern sheets at 45 yards and 36" circle- and shot right dead to POA.

I loved to use it off-season for crows and barn pigeons- like the tall birds the Limeys call "Archangels"--before steel shot became required, I shot the old Federal premium copper plated 3" No. 4's--my homage to my gunning hero- the late Nash Buckingham I guess. I was reloading 12 AA hulls, and they worked fine in my Model 12's- but that Fox was fitted so closely, that it would only close on factory new shells- once fired, whether reloaded or used as "snap caps"- the shell head may have expanded 0.0025" or less- and you could close it, but the top lever did not return to TDC--

I sold it- have an older 2E Smith that was rebarreled in 1927 with 32" Nitro Steel tubes, both Full choke and it has 3" chambers- but is NOT marked a LongRange- it's my favorite turkey and goose shotgun--and at 8 lbs. 4 oz. is a bit lighter than the Fox HE--

But if you ever win the PowerBall- I have a DU buddy who won a 12 HE that was "upgraded" by Pachmayr- August the patron came over from the Old Country- son Frank donated 50 of his father's personal shotguns to DU some years ago--one for each State- for a fund raiser/raffle- tickets were $100 a pop- and my friend won this fine gun- but putting false sidelocks on a boxlock, re-doing the buttstock in the more Germanic style, adding sling swivel clips, engraving the barrel breech and muzzle areas-- somewhat like the late Jack O'Connor's comment- something like wearing galoshes instead of Florsheims with a tuxedo--He would like to sell it- but he took a real bite in the kneecaps, as they valued it at $16,000.00 and he had to pay a capital gains tax on that--

Sooo- do you want a using HE Fox 12- or a "guilded lily"--?? Oh, by the way- that sweet 10 gauge Linder Daly with the 32" Krupp Flusstahl barrels has been sold- and me a day late and a dollar short again--

One advantage- IMO anyway- if you are a pass shooter on waterfowl (and crows and pigeons too) in having both barrels choked identically, especially with the two triggers I prefer on my double guns- you don't have to think about which barrel to shoot first- they are both the same--and I like to see my birds hit hard-

[charlie cleveland]

i would have to win the lottery to buy anything right now...hate you missed that 10 ga for i know what a day late and a doller short feel like....seems to be a whole lot of them here lately....but back to the super fox i believe these guns arenot traded as often as lc smiths...i wonder how many of the super fox were made... charlie

[Old and Reliable]

I had been following that 10 bore Lindner Daly that was finally sold for about 3 years-But what the hey-- another less shell/ammo locker and maybe even hunting coat to buy, if I ended up with it--

It helps me- at 70 years and gainin'- to keep the shotgun ammo separate- easy for me- as I have only 12- 12 3" and steel, and 20 gauge- ditto hunting coats or vests--one for when I use the 20 ga. M12, the others for 12 gauge.

Just as you once posted about the 8 ga.-- I sure wish for the days before steel or non-toxic shot became the "law of the land"--as I would love to have a nice std. (not 3.5" mag like the big Ithaca doubles) 2.88" 10 with 32" Full choke barrels- turkeys and geese with Winchester copper Lubaloy no. 4, and the old Remington or CIL Canuck in No. 2 lead--and OO buck for the left tube sometimes--

I have shot a fair number of mallards and Canadas with the steel loads, and they work OK, today's loads are far better than when they first came out-But I still like the older paper hulls and guns made before WW2 the best-

[Bill Murphy]

Charlie, my tight patterning 3 1/4" Fox is a high condition Sterlingworth. Some guns should not be sold. My experience tells me that a long chambered Fox is not damaged by shooting steel shot. My friend has been shooting steel from his for years with no visible damage. Odd that you should mention a Krupp Daly ten. I sold a Krupp Daly Diamond Grade ten out of a gun store where I was working. The same fellow who owns the tight shooting Fox also now owns the Krupp Daly ten. He is a good friend who also has a collection of my father's guns, as well as a few more of mine. I am kind of an easy touch, but I am holding on to my old Krupp barrelled Daly eight.

[Wild Skies]

Originally Posted by charlie cleveland

...i wonder how many of the super fox were made... charlie

There were a total of 945 Super Foxes built.

[charlie cleveland]

945 super fox... they should have made a few more where some of us good have at least held one in our hands...have you ever used the krupp barrel 8 ga hunting bill... what are the chamber lenths in the 8 ga...plus weight....would like to try that 8 on a turkey with a load of no 2...ha ive learned that if i get rid or sell something i spend the money and aint got any thing to show for it...every body keep there barrels warmed up for life is a way to short... charlie