4 gauge winchester shell

[Bill Murphy]

We Maryland collectors have no problem locating fours, double or single barrel, since our friend Bill McPhail always has one or two at the Baltimore Antique Arms Show. He has had English branded and Baltimore branded guns of very high quality and probably still has a few. Brass should be hoarded since RMC is apparently no longer taking orders.

[charlie cleveland]

maybe rm will go back to turning out brass again for the big guns....they made good hulls i only have 2 brass 8 ga they made and they fit all my 8 gas real good....i know you can buy plastic hull 4 ga shells from a guy in england and theres still a few cheap paper hulls on the internet you can get hold of from time to time...can you imagine seeing a big tom turkey in front of you at 40 yards and you got a 4 bore in your hands loaded with12 drams black powder and 3 1/2 ounces of no 4 lead shot.....charlie

[Bill Murphy]

Charlie, any good machinist should be able to make a pair of chamber adapters to eight gauge 4 inch shells to fit in 4 gauge chambers. They will hold three ounces with no problems. Could someone give Charlie contact information for Dr. Bill McPhail. I have lost his number.

[charlie cleveland]

bill thats a good idea..maybe somebody will have DR. BILL S phone number....when i was a boy i use to look at the for sale ads in shotgun news it always had several 4 bore and 8 bore guns for sale a 4 bore double barrel was usally about 600 hundred dollars i seen a few at 400 dollars....i m sure the big four is pretty salty these days....charlie

[charlie cleveland]

here are a few 4 ga loads i took from tom armbrust book....4 ga all plastic hull allen myers....cci 209 primer....85 grains blue dot...2..080 nitro cards....3 3/8 alcan fibers....plastic shot collar 11/2x3 inch....3 1/2 ounce of2 lead.....050 over shot card....1153 fps....8800 lup.............4 ga jp s paper hull....win. 209......10 drams equal 273 gr ffg black goex....3 1/2 ounce lead no 2...050 over shot card...1253 fps...7680 lup.......charlie

[Bill Murphy]

They are some great loads, Charlie.