What's Wrong With This Picture - Page 2

Craig Larter · 02-13-2016, 06:29 PM

Amazing thanks very interesting and thanks for the education.

Fishtail · 02-13-2016, 07:25 PM

That's pretty cool. I like how it was ordered with full and cylinder chokes.

It's quite possible that someone didn't trust the Vulcan barrels - it's also quite possible the gun was rebarreled in Damascus for 10 other reasons that had nothing to do with the Vulcan steel. I don't have a problem with your theory, but it's not what could be considered 'proof'.

Dean Romig · 02-13-2016, 07:36 PM

I find it interesting that, while we have always been told that replacement barrels or a second set of barrels had cost half the price of the entire gun, this set of 'soon to be obsolete' barrels, were priced at 80% the price of the complete gun...

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GH-16 · 02-13-2016, 08:28 PM

Good observation Dean.

Just curious. What would a grade-2 gun have cost in this time frame? Why would someone have paid this amount to re-barrel a gun rather than buy the upgraded version if cost were similar?

Possibly the original barrels were damaged or lost some how? Could this explain why the forearm was replaced with a Gr-2 replacement? Why would the original forearm not have been used?

All interesting things to ponder !! What are you're thoughts?

Pa SxS · 02-13-2016, 08:42 PM

A GH would cost $80.00. Is the forend VH or GH style checkering? I'll post more tomorrow when I have a regular keyboard to type on.

B. Dudley · 02-14-2016, 07:28 AM

It was standard practice when purchasing extra barrels that they came with a new forend as well.

Pa SxS · 02-14-2016, 10:43 AM

The original order was placed by Hartley & Graham, part of a large order of GH's, PH's, and VH's. Just a standard order for lower grade guns. The gun was returned by H.D. Folsom to "fit new pair 12/28 Damascus 3 blade" barrels and "light." It also states "barrels with flat rib" however this is crossed out and there are two words underneath this but I can't interpret the words. It's something like "not on", "not in", may be even "flat on". I just can't make it out and if I can't read it, it doesn't go into the letter. The price was $40.00 less 25% and 2% so they didn't pay retail for the barrels. There was nothing special about the stock book entry.

Usually when the gun is sent in for a second set of barrels, regardless of steel, they stamp a 2 on the forend metal and forend lug. There is no 2 on the forend in the picture, is there a 2 on the forend lug? I'm guessing that the original barrels were not sent along with the gun, therefore Parker didn't mark them as a second set. I'm also guessing that they sent the forend (or just the metal) and had the iron fitted to the new barrels. Why the engraving is for a GH I have no clue. What grade checkering does the forend wood have?

This is all just speculation, nobody to ask, they are all dead.

Fishtail · 02-14-2016, 01:11 PM

It's quite possible the owner was carrying the gun in 1902 when one of those new-fangled automobiles scared him...he dropped the gun and the auto ran it over and flattened the barrels...

GH-16 · 02-14-2016, 08:58 PM

There are no stampings on the barrel lug of any kind. Looking at the checkering on the wood it appears to be standard for a VH rather than a GR-2. The only other feature the barrels have is twin Ivory beads. Other than that it appears to be a hybrid VH/GH which was put together in Meriden on customer request.

Here's a couple of rather poor pictures showing the forearm & Barrels flats.

King Cobb · 02-18-2016, 12:08 AM

As for trustworthiness of fluid steel barrels, the older Col Askins wrote a shotgun book in early 1900s on shotguns. In it is a section on barrel making and design where he not only states that the general public hadn't embraced the safety of fluid steel barrels compared to damascus, but goes to great lengths to convince the reader of the safety of using fluid steel barrels.