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Unread 05-11-2022, 08:05 AM   #11
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I agree Edgar. Having grown up as a Stevens 410 as my only gun I have a love for them but but the 28 is infinitely more functional.
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Unread 05-11-2022, 08:53 AM   #12
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IMO both guns are overpriced based on the modifications. Again IMO the beavertail forend is a replacement and the buttstock on the second one is a replacement.


In support of my opinion expressed earlier - the following taken from the Serialization book.

235926 - V H 0 B 41 26 - 0 = no extras (originally made with a splinter forend)

226241 - V H 0 B 41 26 - B = Ball Grip - was not made with a capped pistol grip.





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Dean, what your thoughts on the chambers? The first gun was made in 1931 and the Second was made in 1928. One would "assume" that the chambers would have been lengthened in both guns.
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A look at the stock books may solve the chamber length mystery. Not always the case, but worth a look. Ithaca rechambered their double .410s in the early days without any mention of danger to the gun.
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I think Mr. Murphy gave about the answer I would have given. I think there is plenty of metal in .410 chambers and barrels to lengthen 2.5" chambers to 3" but that's just my opinion.





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I guess my question would then be is it better to have the improved functionality of 3" chambers or to have the originality of 2 1/2" chambers?

It might depend on the buyer I suppose. If one was to stumble across a 410 he liked with 2 1/2" chambers could they have the chambers lengthened, by a professional maybe someone like Mike Orlen. Then have a gun they could really use and not worry too much on the impact on value?
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I would think for a shooter gun the 3" would be preferred for the availability of ammunition with a wider variety of loads.





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In as much as Steve suggested comments 'on these two guns', potentially neither of which are in their 'As Shipped from Parker' configuration, it really comes down to desirable features, as they are now. Value is really not part of the equation, since there really isn't a table one could go to in order to determine an actual value.
Three inch chambers would seem to add functionality. Likewise, a Beavertail would be more desirable, on such an otherwise tiny grip. If there were two other VH .410s out there that you could put either of these against, it would come down to condition, and then determine if either of these guns are a comparatively good value. I guess if I was in the market for a Unicorn, I'd probably grab the first one I found.
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So glad I'm not in the market for a unicorn... or a Parker .410 for that matter.





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So glad I'm not in the market for a unicorn... or a Parker .410 for that matter.
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It’s all kinda irrelevant for me ! Most of what I “want” I really can’t afford
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