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03-04-2021, 09:51 AM | #13 | ||||||
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Regarding overboring and chambering of Parker hammereguns I invite everyone to read Richard Hoover's very detailed article "A Quest For The Elusive Eleven-Gauge" in Parker Pages Vol. 3, Issue 3. Mr. Hoover has had ongoing discussions (until their deaths) with the late Charlie Price, the late Bill Furnish, the late Austin Hogan and the late George Flaim concerning this very topic.
Mr. Hoover, incidentally, makes several mentions of "underlifter" or "underlifters" never once writing simply "lifter." I have both a full collection of every published paper issue of Parker Pages as well as the Parker Pages Digital Archive, and I must say that the digital archive is fully searchable and is far quicker to use and find information than the paper publications.... but I'll never get rid of the paper ones. Incidentally, Mr. Hoover attended, at least once, the Parker Smith tent at Deep River and offered to measure anybody's Parker to determine what gauge it was bored and chambered for. He was always in search of the elusive 11-gauge Parkers and had compiled a list of serial numbers of true 11-gauge guns. And, get this, he could tell what was factory bored and what was not original but what was honed and polished. .
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03-04-2021, 10:12 AM | #14 | ||||||
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I believe Austin Hogan made this graph of 12ga. guns. For the most part below the 60,000 serial number range, the bores could be in the .750 range. I have a 12ga. lifter that's .745 and a top action that is .756. After that, most 12ga. guns were in the .730 range. I've never measured a 12ga. Parker below .730.
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03-04-2021, 10:15 AM | #15 | ||||||
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I second Dean's comments.
As to value, if the wall thickness is adequate, overboring improves patterning and increases the value of a Parker as a shooter to me. I do not observed any additional monetary value though. If the wall thickness is inadequate, overboring kills the value (monetary and otherwise) for me and every collector/shooter with any sense |
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03-04-2021, 10:34 AM | #16 | ||||||
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Nominal bore diameters -
12 gauge - .729" 11 gauge - .751" 10 gauge - .775' .
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03-04-2021, 11:44 AM | #17 | |||||||
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Exactly my question. Thanks
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03-04-2021, 11:45 AM | #18 | |||||||
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Thanks. Thats what I was looking for.
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03-04-2021, 12:47 PM | #19 | ||||||
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And sometimes you find unusual dimensions. 1877 Grade 2, number 1 frame. 28”. The gun has a serial number and each barrel is numbered . Overbores at .736. long chokes at 4 1/2 “ and long chambers at 2 7/8”. Left and right chokes are identical at .016 “ constriction . Close examination does not show any indication that the gun is other than as it left the factory.
Many collectors are interested in how these old guns are dimensioned , there is so much variation . |
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