Forum Proposal

[Dean Romig]

Generally those have been pre-qualified by the moderators before they are posted.

[OH Osthaus]

and almost every one I have noticed - like the one Dave just posted, belong to PGCA members who for one reason or another don't use the forum.

[John D.]

Originally Posted by Rick Losey

and almost every one I have noticed - like the one Dave just posted, belong to PGCA members who for one reason or another don't use the forum.

Exactly. As in the other posts, Dave represented it exactly as it was/is - and as well, is responsible for the transaction as it occurs on the Forum.

That is what this Forum is about - or, at least - what it should be, in my vision - which this entire forum reflects.

Have a wonderful evening,

John

[Mills]

Another option for selling guns through PGCA is the classified section of Parker Pages. I bought a Parker advertised there and was very pleased with the transaction.

[Ray Masciarella]

I just read the rules. It says no public comment unless you are interesting in buying it-which actually makes little sense. Why is there ever a need for public comment? The rule permits comment if you want to buy. Otherwise, the rules requires no comment. If you are interested in buying it, just send a PM! There is no need for public comment (although the unnecessary public comments are overwhelmingly positive and very rarely negative).

Over the years I have been a member, the rules on the for sale forum have never been consistently enforced. The best example of that is the requirement that a price be posted. Many times members will post that they have guns available for sale at some upcoming event but not post prices. Depending on who you are, you may or may not get called on it by other members or the moderator. Personally, the failure to post a price does not offend me. I'm just pointing something out folks have a problem with.

"Selling for a friend" is another issue as Chris points out. I guess I have
learned tonight that nonmembers can sell guns through members if they are "pre-qualified" by the moderator? Where is that in the rules? (it isn't). You are either a member or your not and the moderator should not be permitted to "pre-qualify" a nonmember at his discretion. After all rules are rules and the
moderator is charged with enforcing them! A member selling for another member should not require any prequalifcation so that is a nonissue (although it is not expressly permitted by the rule either but who cares?) I'm confused as to what may be going on here and may be misunderstanding whether nonmembers are permitted to sell through members at the moderators
discretion. Are the sale of nonmember's guns sometimes pre-qualified?

Problems with "grey areas" to moderate arise when the rules are vague, ambiguous, arbitrary and/or nonsensical. Such rules create an unnecessary burden on the moderator (although some of them have been apparently decreed by moderators) and invite arbitrary enforcement. Since the rules on
the for sale forum are not consistently enforced, Mike's idea is a good one.

[John D.]

Originally Posted by Ray Masciarella

I just read the rules. It says no public comment unless you are interesting in buying it-which actually makes little sense. Why is there ever a need for public comment? The rule permits comment if you want to buy. Otherwise, the rules requires no comment. If you are interested in buying it, just send a PM! There is no need for public comment (although the unnecessary public comments are overwhelmingly positive and very rarely negative).

Over the years I have been a member, the rules on the for sale forum have never been consistently enforced. The best example of that is the requirement that a price be posted. Many times members will post that they have guns available for sale at some upcoming event but not post prices. Depending on who you are, you may or may not get called on it by other members or the moderator. Personally, the failure to post a price does not offend me. I'm just pointing something out folks have a problem with.

"Selling for a friend" is another issue as Chris points out. I guess I have
learned tonight that nonmembers can sell guns through members if they are "pre-qualified" by the moderator? Where is that in the rules? (it isn't). You are either a member or your not and the moderator should not be permitted to "pre-qualify" a nonmember at his discretion. After all rules are rules and the
moderator is charged with enforcing them! A member selling for another member should not require any prequalifcation so that is a nonissue (although it is not expressly permitted by the rule either but who cares?) I'm confused as to what may be going on here and may be misunderstanding whether nonmembers are permitted to sell through members at the moderators
discretion. Are the sale of nonmember's guns sometimes pre-qualified?

Problems with "grey areas" to moderate arise when the rules are vague, ambiguous, arbitrary and/or nonsensical. Such rules create an unnecessary burden on the moderator (although some of them have been apparently decreed by moderators) and invite arbitrary enforcement. Since the rules on
the for sale forum are not consistently enforced, Mike's idea is a good one.

Thanks for taking the time to share your view.

- John

[wayne goerres]

If it aint broke don't fix it. IMHO it ain't broke. Just think if you forgot to mention that your gun had 30" barrels or the LOP was 14" how many PMs you would have to respond to one at a time. You would never get your gun sold.

[Dean Romig]

Wow....I guess I spoke out of turn when I stated that a few might have been pre-qualified by a moderator.

I take it back....

Everything OK now?

[Mills]

I second Wayne

[Mike Franzen]

Any information that was forgotten to be listed could be added by the seller. There would be no need for answering every PM. If, the seller wanted to add it he could very easily. The bottom line is there are a lot of members who won't list their guns for sale due to the way the forum is set up. Wouldn't it be better for all of our members if we got to see these guns and have a chance to buy them? John is a wizard. Maybe he could make it optional when someone listed a gun for sale, the seller could choose to disable comments if he so desired. When a policy or practice is off putting to members then it's good policy to make improvements. No one suffers, no one gets hurt.