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Unread 01-23-2014, 06:38 PM   #11
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Not necessarily Charlie , ive read that Winchester would load a prime case and pour powder down the bore filling the barrel half way up then loading a bullet on top of it. Now this was with one of their rifles but its possible they proofed the shotgun barrel the same. just a thought
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Unread 01-23-2014, 09:19 PM   #12
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milt a 2 3/4 inch 12 ga hull will not hold 9 1/2 drams of powder and 2 1/2 ounce of shot is what i m really saying... charlie
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Default Another try of the ad scan

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Thanks Gary, If you read that carefully, there is no confusion. It is what it is. And I am not surprised at that proof testing.
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Unread 01-24-2014, 02:16 AM   #15
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milt a 2 3/4 inch 12 ga hull will not hold 9 1/2 drams of powder and 2 1/2 ounce of shot is what i m really saying... charlie
Oh I know that lol no way that would fit Hard enough doing that with 3.5" 10 ga . What im saying is you could load a empty hull with a primer then load the rest of it like a muzzle loader. would be very dangerous I bet pour that much shot and powder in a 12 bore .
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Most likely an advertisement ploy. Not unusual back then. Most companys were interested in selling their product and they didn't care how they did it.
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Unread 01-24-2014, 07:38 PM   #17
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I proof tested a Winchester Model 1901 ten gauge cannon with as much powder as the shell would hold (eight drams of black) and more powder up the barrel with a wad in front. I made the mistake of firing it while the cannon was on top of a wood pile instead of on the ground. The cannon did a back flip and landed on the asphalt of my driveway. I guess it was a soft surface, because the cast iron carriage of the cannon was not damaged. This is probably how Winchester did the 9 dram test. Of course, there was no shot in front of my cannon load.
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woulda loved to seen that bill...charlie
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Bruce, do you know how many 97's were made with damascus?
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I don't know.

But here is the one pound test.
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