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At any rate going forward for me for now that might be something to always consider about not using steel for any breach loading gun, especially some of these older guns. I have some newer sxs and o/u that that for me going forward will give me pause loading steel based shells for any breach loading gun. |
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My story along these lines involve an older .410 hardware store SxS hammer gun with fluid steel barrels
This was a friends gun which he had shot for several seasons while dove hunting. He was using factory ammo when he pulled up on a dove, pulled the trigger & seconds later he was on the ground holding his right eye screaming in pain. After all the dust settled and we got him emergency medical care, we looked the gun over to see what happened. The hammer was broken into two pieces & the firing pin had blown out the back of the breech ball. We never did find the firing pin. The conclusion we came to for the cause of this failure was a pierced primer that let chamber pressure back into the action which caused the firing pin to blow out and did the hammer damage at the same time. Luckily my friend was wearing shooting glasses which protected him some. The glasses did shatter and he did loose his vision in that eye. The doctor said that if he hadn't been wearing the glasses there was a good possibility he would have been killed. I also have a sad story where my best friend was stuck & killed by lightning while we were out dog training in June of '97. We were only about forty feet apart from each other. He was killed and I only had minor muscle/nerve related issues out of the ordeal. Emotionally I still have issues to this day from it. |
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04-18-2018, 11:27 AM | #15 | ||||||
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Holy cow Paul. Brutal story. I know about the one eye thing. It's not fun.
As for Bruce's story, I certainly have noticed the cheapening of shotgun ammo over the years. The bases are of thinner, and cheaper metal, the rims out of round(AA's especially) and the primers are thinner and easier to cave in during setting with one of the old hand tools. For some you just can't use those as you'll cave in every primer, especially if you're using older stout based paper shells. I sure never had that issue when I was using gradpa's old hand kit on vintage ribbed green Remington paper hulls in the early 60's. So, I have no trouble seeing a modern primer getting severely pierced and degassing out the back. I've had a lot of mildly pierced primers, generally on hammer guns that are set to activate the stout old primers. New primers just don't require that much of a whack to set them off so the hammer guns pierce them. I'm sure it's the same with older hammerless guns. They're designed for the stout older primers. There had to be some design criteria for how hard the hammers struck; surely they didn't just make up a stout spring, install it and dry fire it once and say, "that sounds good enough". They would have engineered and experimented until they got what worked properly. |
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Wow Paul. Incredible life experiences. One of those events is enough for most folks. There are lots of beautiful and wonderful things in life, and in a moments notice tragedy can happen. You live an active lifestyle at some point in time everyone is exposed to some tough stuff.
I am wondering if there is enough intel or occurrence reporting on this to get back to shell manufacturers. The quickest way would be a lawsuit but we already live in to litigious a society. If they are being penny wise pound foolish for cheap components then they need to know about it stop making it. What you described with your friend with an inexpensive old gun and inexpensive shells sounds like a perfect storm, even in the so called diminutive 410 but I think pressures on those loads are on par with any gun and deserve respect. I have healthy respect for lightening really sorry to hear about your friend. I really hope some day you can find peace. Bad things sometimes happen to good people for no dang reason. |
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04-18-2018, 11:57 AM | #17 | ||||||
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These incidents are why I don't use cheap ammo. You get what you pay for. If you can shoot a Parker, Fox or any other valuable gun you can certainly afford decent shells.
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Early vs. late stock head inletting. As i described earlier.
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04-18-2018, 04:55 PM | #19 | ||||||
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Very interesting
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As they say, "a picture is worth a thousand words." Thank you Brian.
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