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11-27-2013, 12:36 PM | #13 | ||||||
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There are non Parker cheap barrels made of rolled steel edge welded and printed with a fake Damascus pattern. Don't shoot those. All the early lifter action Parker barrels I have seen look pretty stout and have ample wall thickness, and well they should because a common practice was to cram as much black powder in the hull as possible and blast away. I don't know about the back action lifters and hinge lock early Meriden Mfg guns.
People commonly say " low pressure " without defining low pressure. To me , assuming unaltered barrels, appropriate pressure remains Parker service loads as made. Some throw out 6000 psi for a 12 ga based upon British loads, but those are for thin walled 2" guns which are a long way from Parker stout. Others throw out 8500psi ( 12ga) without any apparent documentary justification . So I don't know what folks mean when they say low pressure. To me, I am more concerned with low recoil for target loads than low pressure, so that means 1 oz or less and maybe 1100 fps for a 12. Lots of confusion between low recoil and low pressure. |
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11-27-2013, 12:46 PM | #14 | ||||||
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Santa is bringing me a back action lifter in the 1,000 serial number range. It has decarbonized steel barrels. Earlier this Fall, I bought what appears to be an early Grade 2 front action lifter in the 1,100 serial number range. It has Damascus barrels. Right now, I don't plan on shooting the back action at all, but keeping it as a collector piece. The front action, I want to get checked out and shoot if ok. I am not far enough along in my knowledge to define "low pressure" other than using RST shells.
Thanks Bruce and Drew for the info. |
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11-27-2013, 12:55 PM | #15 | ||||||
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Mills: I share your apprehension regarding pre-c. 1870 Decarbonized Steel barrels
"Bessemer process homogenous wrought iron" was sourced from Remington Arms. Pages 503 & 504 of The Parker Story state that Parker changed the name to "Plain Steel" as Remington was using the name "Decarbonized" on their newly introduced Model 1873 & 1875/1876 Hammer Lifter doubles. I am of the opinion that pattern welded barrel quality is assessed based on the over-all quality of the gun; with no intrinsic difference in strength between Twist, Damascus or Laminated Steel based on the 1891 Birmingham Proof House Trial https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...WMIMkdKr0/edit
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11-27-2013, 01:34 PM | #16 | ||||||
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Thanks again Drew and Bruce for the links. Very interesting!!!
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11-27-2013, 01:57 PM | #17 | ||||||
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As for me, I'll take Damascus, Bernard or other fine croille. My search guns are a 20ga Bernard ( the Holy Grail) or a 20 or 16 Fine Damascus AH . Those barrels are much more interesting than fluid steel and just as capable.
Here are first a 12 then a 16. |
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11-27-2013, 02:27 PM | #18 | ||||||
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Agree that fluid steel barrels are boring.
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11-27-2013, 03:05 PM | #19 | |||||||
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i do stick with lower pressure/lowwer recoil loads for the sake of the wood. but, my 1904 VH was rebarrelled by Remington with modern chambers, I shot modern 2 3/4 in it (not all that many a year) and this year noticed a fine crack in the wrist of that old wood - i can't prove it- but my guess is stiffer loads didn't help
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11-27-2013, 03:25 PM | #20 | ||||||
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Rick, I am getting hooked on 7/8 oz loads for much the reason you give. Easy on the gun and easy on the shoulder and still deadly for whatever you shoot
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