Western 12 gauge 3" "Record"

[charlie cleveland]

dont forget the lc smith long range 3 inch gun and the super fox 3 inch gun...the 1 3/8 ounce magnum loads were made for this loading before the model 12 was made by ten years....probly a few parker 3 inch guns were made for this load... charlie

[Researcher]

The 1 3/8 ounce progressive burning powder, high velocity load in the 12-gauge 3-inch case was not called MAGNUM. Note the word MAGNUM is not on the boxes I've shown.

[Double Lab]

Originally Posted by Dave Noreen

No! No! Daryl, Along with the introduction of the Model 12 Heavy Duck, Winchester and Western introduced their 12-gauge 3-inch Super Speed and Super-X MAGNUM loads with 1 5/8 ounce of shot.

Thanks for reminding me about those 1 5/8oz. loads Dave. I can't believe that I used to shoot those through a Mossberg 500 pump. OUCH! I ended up handloading an 1 3/8oz. of 4's which was more effective and more pleasant to shoot.

[6pt-Sika]

The same customer came in today and presented me with a second box of Winchester Leader 12 gauge 3" again with paper hulls and again missing the bottom of the box . These however have 24 in the box and are the 1 5/8 ounce again #4's . These have on the box Winchester Leader SuperWSpeed Staynless .

[Researcher]

We need to link these threads --

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=25034

[6pt-Sika]

Originally Posted by Dave Noreen

We need to link these threads --

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=25034

The box holding the 1 5/8 ounce loads looks very similar to the box you posted in that thread except mine doesn't say lacquered .

Incidently what was lacquered ? The shot or the hulls ?

[Dean Romig]

The shell hulls were lacquered to make them “waterproof”.





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[Researcher]

The hulls. A bit more waterproofing. I don't have any Winchester Lacquered shells. Here is a comparison of a Lacquered Remington ARROW Express 12-gauge 3-inch Magnum and a regular Remington Nitro Express 10-gauge 2 7/8 inch shell, both from the late 1930s --

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and here is the box for the 12-gauge 3-inch shell --

Late 1930s Arrow Express.jpg

[charlie cleveland]

i really like the looks of that lacquered shell...i do not have a laqured shell in my collection yet..i have some of the 10 ga shown when i was a boy my father let me shoot up a bunch of these old 10 ga shells i still have some and occasioally take a turkey with these loads...i have yet to have one of these green remingtons fail me...the 3 inch 12 ga is really a good load got to get me one of these lacqured boxes of shells...the 1 5/8 ounce load was a good load....charlie

[6pt-Sika]

The Winchester 3" 1 5/8 ounce !