The Short Ten - How many shooting one?

[Larry the Gun Guy]

I noticed, as I was reading through all of these great posts, that I failed to post pictures of the Titanic 10 that BFT requested. So here are a few shots of the DH 3 frame No 114677, with fluid steel barrels, made in 1902.

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[Labowner]

Frank did you order the six or eight star crimp?

[StubTwist]

Originally Posted by E Robert Fabian

Frank did you order the six or eight star crimp?

I got the six crimp because that is what RST uses.

Awesome tool -- works great.

[Labowner]

I ordered one this morning

[bill stone]

Originally Posted by edward mccay

I do!

tell me more!!!!!

[Bill McPhail]

Rare shooter-obcessed collector. Have 28 American Breechloaders-all "Small" Makers in 10 ga. 2 3 1/4 in chambers-both E Thomas Jr, 1 4in chamber P Mullin.-rest short chambers.
2 are pinfires-Genez,Sneider. 2 are Hammerless-Hasdell, Sneider-the rest are Hammer Guns. 1 driillng Baker
Reguards
Bill McPhail

[charlie cleveland]

bill that 4 inch chambered 10 ga is of great interest to me could you tell us a little more about it... such as weight and lenth of barrels...have you any 4 inch shells for this gun..... charlie

[Bill McPhail]

Charlie, The P Mullin(New York City) is a 10 ga Jones Underlever made on a Birmingham
Proofed Barrelled Action. 32 In 10lb 4 Oz Laminated Steel 4 pin lock with Gold Sheild.
It has a Connon Breech-6 in , 4 in Chamber. I have a 4 in Brass shell but have not found
a 4 in 10 ga shell. Have Mullin 8 Ga with 4 1/4 in chamber. Mullin made unadorned shotguns. 1850's to 90's. Have pictures but do not know how to post on this site.
Can send on e-mail if one is sent-mcphailcherkoee@aol.com
Reguards
Bill

[Paul Harm]

I've found the plastic start crimp works just fine. The short kit is nothing other than a spacer to make up for the shorter shell. A piece of wood would work. Where it's needed is in the final crimp - it makes the shell go up in the final crimp the proper distance so the shell isn't " belled out " at the end. If any of you want load data go to our reloading forum. Short 10 loads are the same for longer shells but adjustments will have to be made with the wad so everything will fit. Many times fiber wads will have to be used and they can be bought from www.circlefly.com . Graig has recommended what size wads to use. For nitro I use 18grs of 700X and the Remington SP-10 wad [ with a 16ga wad inside for filler] ; and with BP, 85grs of 3F, fiber wads, and 1oz of shot. Good luck - Paul

[Grantham Forester]

All these posts are interesting, and I see that the LC Smiths are also mentioned here. No mention of the Fox or Ithaca guns yet, perhaps later. I have used a friend's 10 Stoeger double for geese in past years, but not since steel shot. Perhaps this is why the main topic has been both turkey hunting and then clays. I can only imagine what a tight fisted load of No. 8 chilled shot from a 10 gauge would do to a clay target at close range- decimated!!

A friend has a very old Damascus barrel 10 gauge LC Smith- very ornate pattern to the barrels, engraved and the side plates are "stepped" at the rear apex on both sides. It is a hammerless with double triggers, fine wood- but his gunsmith cautioned against shooting it as it has the first design bottom barrel lug, with squared corners. He said those were prone to stress cracking, even with the black powder loads of that time.

I understand his opinion, as a tool maker, we learn first off that a radius moves stress, but a 90% corner traps it. Could I get a read on this from BFT please??