12th Annual Northeast SxS Classic

[Cold Spring]

I had a question on the Fox site about the 410 with 9-shot and how that fits with the concept of a long-range shoot. Just fyi I am copying my answer here.

..... I didn't say the 410 with 9-shot did well, only that all three birds were breakable with same. Comment was intended in humor for some friends who whine every year that the birds can't be broken, are too far out, flight path(s) are funky, we should allow 1-1/2 ounces of shot, "should have brought my Flak 88", etc etc.

This year the #1 target is a high quartering going-away bird - you can see the trap in the second pic, #2 is a nice slow incomer, #3 is a condelle that settles about 35 yards in front of the shooter. No problem gents .....

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Frank Srebro

I had a question on the Fox site about the 410 with 9-shot and how that fits with the concept of a long-range shoot. Just fyi I am copying my answer here.

..... I didn't say the 410 with 9-shot did well, only that all three birds were breakable with same. Comment was intended in humor for some friends who whine every year that the birds can't be broken, are too far out, flight path(s) are funky, we should allow 1-1/2 ounces of shot, "should have brought my Flak 88", etc etc.

This year the #1 target is a high quartering going-away bird - you can see the trap in the second pic, #2 is a nice slow incomer, #3 is a condelle that settles about 35 yards in front of the shooter. No problem gents .....

If a bird is consistently breakable with 9 shot out of any guage shotgun it is not a long range target. Why not be true to the Bo-Whoop legacy of long range shooting and throw targets where the shooter has 55 to 60 yard presentations?

[Cold Spring]

Originally Posted by Pete Lester

If a bird is consistently breakable with 9 shot out of any guage shotgun it is not a long range target. Why not be true to the Bo-Whoop legacy of long range shooting and throw targets where the shooter has 55 to 60 yard presentations?

This is one of those things I can't win so I'll just say, please quote me accurately Mr. Lester. I did not write CONSISTENTLY, you did.

Just trying to do some publiciity here. Those who've been to the Northeast and have attempted the Bo-Whoop targets will know that we've been true to the BW tradition; and we will be again this year. Shooters will see presentations where the better choice is to shoot the target at long range. This is our seventh year and we had almost 200 shooters last year so we (I) must be doing something right putting on a long range shoot.

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Frank Srebro

This is one of those things I can't win so I'll just say, please quote me accurately Mr. Lester. I did not write CONSISTENTLY, you did.

Just trying to do some publiciity here. Those who've been to the Northeast and have attempted the Bo-Whoop targets will know that we've been true to the BW tradition; and we will be again this year. Shooters will see presentations where the better choice is to shoot the target at long range. This is our seventh year and we had almost 200 shooters last year so we (I) must be doing something right putting on a long range shoot.

Frank I think you missed my point, a 410 shooting 9's could break long range target, (which is what I thought the Bo-Whoop was about), however, those breaks would be a fluke. I used the word consistently in a deliberate manner, and I do not see where I adding anything to what I quoted you said (the computer takes care of that). My point and retort to your post is, if a load of 9's can break those clay targets consistently they are not long range targets.

I was challenging your publicity post for what was, a challenge from you or even a taunt to those who try the Bo-Whoop and miss.

[Cold Spring]

Well Mr Lester maybe if you coordinated the B-W shooting for 6 years and spent 6 X 2 = 12 days with gents who were laughing and joking about hitting and missing, and what it takes to break our long range targets, you'd better understand the humor that was intended with my post about all three targets being breakable with 1/2 ounce of 9's from a 410. Note that I didn't say consistently breakable which seems to be the point youre trying to make. I have the signup sheets from the shooting for the last three years and I don't see your name listed as a shooter. Let me ask, have you ever even been to the Northeast SxS and seen the Bo-Whoop setup? If you had you'd better understand the culture of the event and maybe get off your soapbox trying to turn my words into taunting or a "challenge" - based on a very debatable "interpretation" of my comments.

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Frank Srebro

Well Mr Lester maybe if you coordinated the B-W shooting for 6 years and spent 6 X 2 = 12 days with gents who were laughing and joking about hitting and missing, and what it takes to break our long range targets, you'd better understand the humor that was intended with my post about all three targets being breakable with 1/2 ounce of 9's from a 410. Note that I didn't say consistently breakable which seems to be the point youre trying to make. I have the signup sheets from the shooting for the last three years and I don't see your name listed as a shooter. Let me ask, have you ever even been to the Northeast SxS and seen the Bo-Whoop setup? If you had you'd better understand the culture of the event and maybe get off your soapbox trying to turn my words into a "challenge" - based on a very debatable "interpretation" of my comments.

Is it just me or is this not going in a friendly direction? I merely challenged your assertion, joking or not, that a 410 and 9's was a viable gun and load having seen your target presentations in the past. Yes I have been to this shoot. Yes I have tried the Bo-Whoop some time ago and I have not cared to participate in it since then for reasons not related to target presentation but I understand your having fun with it.

[Cold Spring]

Back up to Hidden Hollow today to get some final work done on the Fox Collectors' specialty shooting venues. Here are some random pics:

Bo-Whoop shooting station to the left and the WC Letterman Cup SBT station on the right. That's our Kaiser nosing around.


Large vendor tent is up


Bill, Donnie (on the ground), Charlie and Boyd supervising


RST tent is up


Cobbie already set up


Other vendors were starting to show up as I was leaving

[B. Dudley]

See you all tomorrow! I am set up right next to the PGCA booth.

[J.B. Books]

Here are some random pictures from the Northeast Side by Side shoot, what great weather we had!

In the next to last photo are PGCA members, Matt Valinski, Dean Romig and Eric Eis.

[J.B. Books]

Chris Travinski shot the course on Fri and Sat.