Short Chambered 12's.

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Bruce Day

Those fingers that grasp and squeeze around the base of the shell don't resize? No, they are not a sizing ring like on the MEC 600jr, but aren't they supposed to resize the shell base? No problems with anything other than Feds.

Bruce if your reloader has fingers that squeeze the shell like a stand alone Super Sizer you do not have a MEC 650, that would be the MEC Grabber or possibly the more expensive MEC 9000. (The 650, Grabber and 9000 are progressive reloaders) The 650 does not resize, the Grabber and 9000 do. You can adjust those fingers to squeeze a little more tightly and that should solve the issue with the feds.

Underneath the fingers is a lock nut. Loosen it and then turn the finger assembly to tighten or loosen the amount of resizing it applys, I can't recall if you turn it clockwise or counterclockwise to tighten it. I think it's clockwise. Try it and turn it an 1/8 of a turn, you'll feel more resistance if it is applying more pressure to the shell. PS. if not sure call MEC customer service, they are fantastic and they will walk you through it.

[B. Dudley]

A bit off topic here, but just for kicks of it, I roughly measured my Late 1920's vintage Fox Sterlingworth 12g. 30" IM/XF tonight and the chambers appear to measure 3" to 3-1/8" at the start of the forcing cones. Now that seems odd to me. I will ahve to have them checked with a proper chamber guage.

[J.B. Books]

I meant to put this here but had both reloading forum and this one open with similiar conversations.

I have been thinking about this short chamber 12ga issue a bit and I think it comes down to what is best and what you can get away with. IMO what is best is to use shells the same length as the chamber, preferably low pressure factory shells or reloads generating the pressures of shells in the period the gun was made. Another option is having the chamber's lengthened provided you have sufficient barrel wall thickness and shoot 2 3/4 shells. I know that is heresy but here is how it goes when you go to sell your gun; the potential buyer will use short chambers against you as a negative to get the price down, or they will use the lengthened chambers against you to get the price down. If the gun is a lower grade or has lost it orginality by a restock what is the harm? That decision is best made after the gun is classified as a shooter rather than an investment. What you can get away with is another matter, good sound Parkers can take heavy loads whether the barrels are composite or fluid steel. How many guns did Sherman Bell try to blow up and failed and how much pressure did it take to blow up a Dam GH and Vulcan Steel VH, near 32,000 psi. I choose to treat my guns kindly with lower pressure reloads, some of my guns had their chambers lengthen others not. They are all in tact and have suffered all their wear and tear by being taken out in the field not from shooting them with any load. Remember high pressure doesn't crack stocks, heavy recoil and loose stock screws crack stocks so I try to keep my use of heavy loads to a minimum and check each gun and tighten screws if needed. Good luck everyone.

[Big Friend Ten (BFT)]

Brian,

Old forcing cones were about a half inch long. Modern forcing cones are longer to reduce perceived recoil. Modern cones are typically 1 3/4" to 3 1/4".

If the old Fox has long chambers and short cones then while they may not be original, they are likely from long, long ago.

Being a Sterlingworth rather than a graded Fox the long chambers are likely not factory original. Back in the day long chambers were ordered for longer shells with extra wadding for pigeon and trap shooting.

Mark

[charlie cleveland]

like the saying do not place 12 ga shalls in 8 ga guns...also like the one do not place 16 ga shells in 10 ga guns.... they shoulda said this aboutr the 20 ga too on the 10 ga because some 20 ga will stick in a 10 ga barrel if its tight choked...but most all of us have enough sense to not be sticking odd ga shells in wrong ga guns...but i do like to read these old warnings... charlie