What if??

[Autumn Daze]

I for one enjoy threads that show a little emotion and opinion even though most times they veer off topic. As long as they don't get abusive or contain personal attacks these type of posts show peoples true personalities and by reading them I can get a sense where these posters are coming from. We have many different types of guys/gals here who post for a million different reasons. I think we have room for them all as long as we keep it civil. I would rather have a little color in our conversations than just a completely sterile atmosphere. After all how many times have we been sitting around with a bunch of our friends just BSing and the conversation has taken on a life of its own?

John does a great job monitoring this site and he has told me on numerous occasions that threads with some personality will stand unless they cross the line.

[Angel Cruz Ortiz]

Now that that's over, back to my intended question. What if that was a VH found in such a condition? The LC is going for almost 5000.00. I would say such a VH would fetch at least 30,000.00?? And then, would you use it?

[Bruce Day]

Angel, I can shed some light on the original question. The mentioned Trojan 12ga is an example. Owned by Ed Muderlak for maybe 5 years, he sold it to Mark Vollinger. The gun was an ordinary late 12ga Trojan, new in the box, never assembled, wrapping paper. He sold the gun privately for his asking price of $6500?, then Mark had it a year or two, then sold it at Julia's for $10,000. This was a few years ago during the high prices.

I saw a couple near new 12ga V's go for $12,000 a few years ago, no box no wrapping paper. There are substantially unshot B's that went in the low 20's. In this economy, my guess would be maybe low 10's again, not anywhere near $30,000.

These guns retain their value by their non use, and the wise person who pays a premium for a new gun would not use it, because there are enough little used high condition guns around to satisfy that urge. I own a new near high grade and do not use it and display it only in its case. An acquaintance in Virginia has astounding near new or new guns, does not shoot them, and displays them only in controlled circumstances and wears white cotton gloves. You have to be very careful because people will want to pick these guns up and start waving them around. I'll disgress a bit.... I have seen people at gunshows drinking Coke ( think acid) put the drink down on your table and start picking up guns.

That's my views, gathered by listening and looking at Julia's where some of the best pass. Its only part of the picture and others follow the matter also. I invite other's views.

[Angel Cruz Ortiz]

Thanks Bruce. I would have have paid more than that.

[Opening Day]

Ok as most of you know, I have a new in box VHE 16 ga skeet gun. A couple of years ago when I displayed it at our annual meeting and 16 ga was the theme and it came in second place (lost out to Jim Hall's A 1 special, not bad for a lowly VHE....) after the meeting and a few weeks later I had offers from 20 to 30. Yes I still have the gun.

[Angel Cruz Ortiz]

Eric, as soon as I hit the lotto I'll give you a call. Your VHE 16 ga would have gotten my vote.

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Bruce Day

Angel, I can shed some light on the original question. The mentioned Trojan 12ga is an example. Owned by Ed Muderlak for maybe 5 years, he sold it to Mark Vollinger. The gun was an ordinary late 12ga Trojan, new in the box, never assembled, wrapping paper. He sold the gun privately for his asking price of $6500?, then Mark had it a year or two, then sold it at Julia's for $10,000. This was a few years ago during the high prices.

I saw a couple near new 12ga V's go for $12,000 a few years ago, no box no wrapping paper. There are substantially unshot B's that went in the low 20's. In this economy, my guess would be maybe low 10's again, not anywhere near $30,000.

These guns retain their value by their non use, and the wise person who pays a premium for a new gun would not use it, because there are enough little used high condition guns around to satisfy that urge. I own a new near high grade and do not use it and display it only in its case. An acquaintance in Virginia has astounding near new or new guns, does not shoot them, and displays them only in controlled circumstances and wears white cotton gloves. You have to be very careful because people will want to pick these guns up and start waving them around. I'll disgress a bit.... I have seen people at gunshows drinking Coke ( think acid) put the drink down on your table and start picking up guns.

That's my views, gathered by listening and looking at Julia's where some of the best pass. Its only part of the picture and others follow the matter also. I invite other's views.

Bruce, those are very astute observations and I couldn't agree more.

[Big D]

Call me a fool, but... about a dozen years ago I bought an unfired factory vent rib M42 .410. I shoot the gun occasionally on skeet fields or clays courses and enjoy shooting it as much as any gun I own. It is probably one of the last guns I will ever sell

[Bruce Day]

Ouch, looks like I was off, and no reflection on your great guns, Eric. But, that is a special rare one, skeet and a small bore. A genuine offer such as Eric had sets value much more than a seller's asking price.

[Opening Day]

Originally Posted by Bruce Day

Ouch, looks like I was off, and no reflection on your great guns, Eric. But, that is a special rare one, skeet and a small bore. A genuine offer such as Eric had sets value much more than a seller's asking price.

Yes it was a genuine offer and I probably should have taken it, but I didn't want to sell the gun. I will probably kick myself at a later date ! Some guns come and go and others well they speak to you in someway. I don't think that the gun has been put together, it's a time capsule and that's the reason it will never be fired or put together under my watch. I know others say why own a gun if you can't shoot it and mostly I agree with that but there are times when you just can't....