Steel Shot in Parkers

[John D.]

As quoted in an article authored by George Trulock and Jerrod Trulock (Trulock Choke)

"...However, the fact that steel shot exerts much more stress on choke tubes has not changed. The problem is that steel shot is much harder than lead. It will transmit much more energy to the choke when it strikes the conical portion and if the tube is not of sufficient strength it will cause it to deform...

And - he was referring to MODERN CHOKES IN MODERN GUNS - not vintage shotguns...

I'm guessing the Trulocks should know...

[Bruce Day]

No, you need to read the whole article. I think Roster addresses many issues. As I said, my initial statements about steel were limited in scope to the barrel erosion and scratching issue. My point is to view the issue with an open and inquiring mind. Obviously, as indicated above, some people are not able to do that and they bring up issues beyond the narrow issue. Each of those can be addressed in my opinion if a person has an open mind.

The problem is discussing matters when people launch personal attacks. I've found that when people are unable intellectually to consider other views or matters outside their thinking, they react by personal attacks.

[CSL]

Originally Posted by Bruce Day

The problem is discussing matters when people launch personal attacks. I've found that when people are unable intellectually to consider other views or matters outside their thinking, they react by personal attacks.

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This is about the time when Bruce indirectly starts referring to people who don't agree with his opinions as Pigs & Skunks and then he exits.... How that recent Bruce comment and personal insult/attack to several people on another thread was allowed to stand when others were removed is still a mystery to me...

CSL
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[John D.]

Originally Posted by Christopher Lien

...How that recent Bruce comment and personal insult/attack to several people on another thread was allowed to stand when others were removed is still a mystery to me...

That would be a mystery to me as well - as only two people on the forum can "remove" posts.

I would be "one of them".

Jeff would be the "other one".

Best to you,

John

[CSL]

Originally Posted by John Dunkle

That would be a mystery to me as well - as only two people on the forum can "remove" posts.

I would be "one of them".

Jeff would be the "other one".

Best to you,

John

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Well John, You edited someone else's post calling it a personal attack, and then left Bruce's insulting Pigs & Skunks post to everyone reading the (Parker by Peter Johnson) thread to stand without edit... I guess you had your reasons....

Best To You, CSL
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[John D.]

Originally Posted by Christopher Lien

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Well John, You edited someone elses post calling it a personal attack, and then left Bruce's insulting post to everyone reading the thread to stand without edit... I guess you had your reasons....

Best To You, CSL
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Well, Chris,

Can you show me the post where Bruce mounted a personal attack on Destry? If I missed it - I'll fix it...

Best to you,

John

[John D.]

Originally Posted by Christopher Lien

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Well John, You edited someone else's post calling it a personal attack, and then left Bruce's insulting Pigs & Skunks post to everyone reading the (Parker by Peter Johnson) thread to stand without edit... I guess you had your reasons....

Best To You, CSL
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And oh...

Make no mistake, Chris...

You said I "removed" posts? If I "remove posts" - I tell people why...

If I "edit" posts - I do so in public - and state "why" for all to see...

Careful of your stating how this forum is "Administered", fair enough?

Best to you,

John

[Big D]

I have never met anyone who has witnessed the bulging of any gun barrel (old or new) with current steel shot size 5 or smaller, shot through a modified or looser choke. I continue to believe that the warnings put out by the gun companies were by the same lawyers who now insist on 10 pound trigger pulls on rifles

[John D.]

Originally Posted by John Dallas

....I continue to believe that the warnings put out by the gun companies were by the same lawyers who now insist on 10 pound trigger pulls on rifles

I don't believe Tom Roster was a lawyer or a "gun company". I'm pretty certain Nienke Beintema is not either, either. I am fully certain that neither Mr. George Trulock and Mr. Jerrod Trulock are neither lawyers, either - but do manufacture chokes for multiple manufacturers firearms, so probably might know a "wee bit more"?

Hope this helps,

John

[MarketHunter]

But the point is why run the risk? You might shoot 1000 rounds and not have any trouble, then one day....

I still think of the family LC Smith that a friend bulged behind the choke shooting #4 shot. And all the other old guns I saw absolutely ruined by shooting steel. Sure it was years ago, but if you'd seen some of them you still wouldn't do it even today.

There are too many other options, maybe a lot more expensive, but still workable. I probably shoot more shells at ducks in a season than any other regular on the BBS and I'm just a poor working stiff. Yet I still never have had to resort to shooting steel shot through any of my vintage guns and I've been shooting ONLY vintage guns at waterfowl for over 15 years now.

When I think of sliding my big #3 frame, 34 inch, DHE with those tight long range chokes out of the case and dumping a couple steel shells in it I just cringe. Not going to happen, at least while I'm still breathing and own the gun.

What really cracks me up is that this has become this huge bandwagon for Bruce to ride on. He's not even really a duck hunter, he's said on here that he probably doesn't shoot maybe a couple boxes of shells at ducks in a season. Last year I shot three cases at least, maybe more! And Bruce is a lawyer of some kind, so I'm sure he makes a lot more money than I do. Why is he so worried about spending a few more bucks on a couple boxes of shells anyway? It's not about getting information out there, it's about Bruce feeling like he was beaten in a conversation and wanting to continue to spread bad information out of spite.

All that being said, I don't care if anybody wants to shoot steel out of a vintage gun. If you want to do it, more power to you. But don't say it's perfectly fine on a public vintage gun forum where any novice might read it and think you actually knew what you were talking about.


Destry