Blowing the pattern?

[Randy Roberts]

Burt Becker and the boys in the Fox plant figured out that speed don't kill nor does it result in good patterns, usually. See the attached as copied from the brochure detailing the Super Fox.

[matt koepnick]

We had a CSMC 28 gauge with skeet and IC chokes (measured as such). Wife shot the Win factory 1 OZ loads of 6 shot. Those Pheasants dropped like Thor's Hammer hit em. All shots were at 25 yards over dogs. The recovered pellets had a fair amount of distortion which prob contributed to killing power . Generally 8-10 pellets in each of the birds. Might try some of these shells.
Mattly

[Bill Murphy]

Your next project is to find out where the rest of the shot went. 7/8 ounces at 1300, I'm surprised that your little Repro is still in one piece. Guns like yours are meant for 3/4 ounce at 1200 fps. With some tighter chokes, 3/4 should kill a pheasant if #6 shot is used.

[Dylan Rhodes]

I appreciate all of the insight. tighter chokes is not in the cards, unless someone has a spare set of 28" 28 ga repro barrels for sale? I am going to try 3/4 oz of 7.5 at 1220 FPS and see how she does.

[Double Lab]

Well good luck with your 28 Dylan. Unfortunately it seems your barrels are fixed choke which is not a bad thing. What is bad is them being choked as they are. Keep experimenting and you may find the right ammo for your gun. Open chokes don't belong on a 28 or .410.

[Drew Hause]

Randy: re the Super Fox loads. You are no doubt aware that the velocities listed are the "average velocity" over 40 yards, not muzzle velocity.

In a 1927 Western Cartridge Co. flyer “Super-X The Long Range Load” by Capt. Chas. Askins the 12g “Duck Load” (not specified but presumed to be 1 1/4 oz. Super-X “Field”) is described as 3 1/2 dram (38.5 gr. DuPont Oval Powder = 11 gr. / Dr. Eq.); at 1400 fps (at the muzzle rather than 3 feet) and 1000 fps average over 40 yards, with a breech pressure of 3 3/4 tons or about 8,400 psi + 10-14%
3” Super-X “Record” with 1 3/8 oz. at MV 1400 fps with 4.25 tons = 9,520 psi + 10-14%

Super-X 10g 1 5/8 oz. “about 4 1/2 Drams” No. 2 shot Full choke 32” barrel, average velocity over 40 yds. 1030 fps; “up to 13,000 psi” by crushers = about 14,500 psi by modern transducers.
In 2025 Tom Armbrust tested 3 vintage 2 7/8” Super-X 10g 1 5/8 oz. ‘Maximum Load’ at an average of 1300 fps. And 19,166 psi.

[ED J, MORGAN]

for longer range try number 6 shot

[William Machauer]

I've shot Winchester silver box #5s out of my 28s- they dont like 5s!
I shoot 7¹/²s for pheasant, chukar and Huns from my 41, 28 and 20 ga.

I'd pattern those factory loads at 10 yards just to see what they are doing. Then I would contact the manufacturer customer service and state your problem. Could be some issue they aren't aware of.

[Stan Hillis]

Originally Posted by Drew Hause

In 2025 Tom Armbrust tested 3 vintage 2 7/8” Super-X 10g 1 5/8 oz. ‘Maximum Load’ at an average of 1300 fps. And 19,166 psi.

19,166 psi ? Is that a typo?
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[Dean Romig]

Probably not.





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