Interesting Configuration

[Chris T.]

Originally Posted by todd allen

I'm not an open choke guy, but in a 12 ga, cylinder chokes will break skeet targets all day long.

I questioned my desire for excessive chokes when I watched Edgar breaking clays at 40+ yds. with a 28 ga., cylinder chokes in both barrels. We walked over to the long station at Addieville just for kicks at the end of the day, it's a long shot and the targets are falling hard by the time you can pick them up. It certainly changed the way I look at open choked guns.

[6pt-Sika]

Originally Posted by Chris Travinski

I questioned my desire for excessive chokes when I watched Edgar breaking clays at 40+ yds. with a 28 ga., cylinder chokes in both barrels. We walked over to the long station at Addieville just for kicks at the end of the day, it's a long shot and the targets are falling hard by the time you can pick them up. It certainly changed the way I look at open choked guns.

First time I shot the course at Sanford I used more open chokes guns if I had the option in my accumulation . And I found myself trying to jump the targets quick and I wasn’t smooth . My sychie was telling me to shoot quick before it outruns the choke . End result lower scores , luckily I’d brought tight choked guns as well and the next day my scores were better .

[Reggie B]

I have a 20 gauge gun that dates to 1920 that has a beavertail with draw bolt and reinforced forend loop. The letter makes no mention of the beavertail. Letters don't always tell the entire story for whatever reason.

[John Davis]

When they made those entries in the Stock and Order books a hundred years ago, they weren’t really thinking about future collectors.

[todd allen]

Dean, that is a beautiful gun, and despite the short barrels, as I think the old saying goes, I wouldn't kick her outta the safe for eating crackers!
With the handy barrel lengths and tight chokes one could protect against highwaymen on the way to the pigeon shoot!
;-)

[todd allen]

Craig, I have never shot skeet in competition, but have done plenty of skeet shooting for fun.
We used to always shoot a round or two as a warm-up for sporting clays competition.
That said, we always shot skeet with full chokes.
What I know about cylinder chokes is that they WILL break a skeet target from any station on a skeet field.
My motto is that open chokes help a poor shot as much as tight chokes help a good shot.

[6pt-Sika]

Originally Posted by todd allen

What I know about cylinder chokes is that they WILL break a skeet target from any station on a skeet field.
My motto is that open chokes help a poor shot as much as tight chokes help a good shot.

I wasn't arguing the fact that more open works WELL I always viewed that as a given

As to tight chokes helping a better shot I'm still on the fence about that on the skeet field . However I will say in trap sporting or pigeons FOR ME ATLEAST tight chokes give me confidence .

[todd allen]

BTW, when I bought the H&H Royal, I sent it back to Briley's for choke tubes, because I could not see myself owning a fixed choke gun with 0/.08 choke constrictions.
I bought the gun from Chuck Webb, and he understood, because set up all of my competition guns over the years.
Choke tube job was comped, BTW.
Funny story:
So I go on this bluegrouse hunt up on top of the Dunckley Flat Tops in CO. Elevation about 10.5k ft.
I back backpacked the H&H up, and knowing what altitude does to patterns, put in my most open pair of chokes. 05/10k.
The high altitude and thin air created super tight patterns that would break every bone in the bird if shot under 20 yds.
I patterned the .05 choke up there, and you would think I was shooting a pigeon gun.

[todd allen]

We are in agreement. I'm sure the top competitors in skeet are not running full chokes, just as the top competitors in pigeons are not running skeet chokes.
There are no gimmicks, or "I saw a chip" in box birds. It's either in or out.
BTW, I have always pattern tested every load and every choke on the P-gun.
Never had to do that with the NSFW GHE. You put em in the pattern, and that old Parker turned em into a dish rag!

[6pt-Sika]

Originally Posted by todd allen

We are in agreement. I'm sure the top competitors in skeet are not running full chokes, just as the top competitors in pigeons are not running skeet chokes.
There are no gimmicks, or "I saw a chip" in box birds. It's either in or out.
BTW, I have always pattern tested every load and every choke on the P-gun.
Never had to do that with the NSFW GHE. You put em in the pattern, and that old Parker turned em into a dish rag!

When I was competing I had several friends that were very adamant about patterning their skeet guns with each gauge set of tubes and they were worried about even quadrants in their patterns . I’ve never worried about pattern density or diversity to much although I will say I patterned my 10 gauge Bismuth loads at forty yards . I was more intrested in the center of the pattern to wear I was aiming/pointing . I never ever wanted to see 410 patterns , looking at 410 patterns can have a negative affect on one’s confidence . I still say I’ve never been much count at any of the games skeet, trap , sporting or pigeons but I’ve had an awful lot of good luck/fortune