New 8 gauge paper hulls

[charlie cleveland]

did not know this bill I have never had one of these early Winchester 8 ga industrial shells...I have some 4 ga industrial slugs I need to look and see what primer they use....charlie

[6pt-Sika]

I was given forty plus of the old WIN paper industrial shells loaded with Blue Dot and if my memory is correct 2 3/8 ounces shot . And yes I shot them all at skeet in my PH . They thumped you pretty well . I loaded them again and fired some at Sanford last year but got some poppers . I suppose they were on their last legs .

[JesseGDeluca]

These shotguns are looking very good please share your reviews with us.

[Cory Leist]

Milton, how are you going about getting load data? Are you sending them off to Tom or modifying existing loads?

Thanks

[Milton C Starr]

Originally Posted by cory leist

Milton, how are you going about getting load data? Are you sending them off to Tom or modifying existing loads?

Thanks

The paper hulls will need some load development they probably have a little less internal volume compared to the Win or Rem 8 ga hulls. Side note on the paper hulls they are a bit sturdier than the plastic hulls the material whatever type of paper they use doesn't deform as easily as the plastic. They do roll crimp identically to the Rem hull so I am wondering if the 6 pin crimper would work better on them.

I use Toms data for bluedot and the Win hulls except I use fiber wads.

[Cory Leist]

Many thanks Milton. I love the look and feel of paper hulls. I will be ordering a few up for myself and really appreciate you passing along the website.

Are you talking about the six point crimp from reloaded network? I’ve been eyeballing that one as the one I have from BP doesn’t do so well with the Winchester super x paper hulls I have.

Do you just swap the fiber one to one for Toms loads?

[Milton C Starr]

Originally Posted by cory leist

Many thanks Milton. I love the look and feel of paper hulls. I will be ordering a few up for myself and really appreciate you passing along the website.

Are you talking about the six point crimp from reloaded network? I’ve been eyeballing that one as the one I have from BP doesn’t do so well with the Winchester super x paper hulls I have.

Do you just swap the fiber one to one for Toms loads?

The specific load I am talking about is the first one on page 80 in Toms book.
He lists it as 9600 psi but should be a good deal less without buffer and the plastic wad. The Fawcetts paper hulls should work a bit better than the Win paper ones as they have a plastic basewad. I have one of the Winchester paper hulls I cut the old crimp off and re-rolled it out of curiosity. I have had good luck with the BPI roller on the Remington hulls also.

It took me 3 weeks to get the paper hulls but considering they have to be shipped from England and at the time Fawcetts was closed for a week because their whole staff had covid. These days though a 3 week wait on reloading components isnt that bad . The factory crimp on the Winchester paper was a bit wonky but then again they were made to be pulled apart not fired as it was a powder sampler case. I read Winchester did this to skirt paying hazmat on shipping powder. Winchester cant seem to stop using their industrial products to skirt the law lol.

[Milton C Starr]

Art heres how my Remington hulls resize. From what I can tell really all you need is a 23.5mm hole to push the case into. Homedepot has a 23.5mm boring bit I plan on getting to make another sizing die. I believe Wayne made this resizing die and he is one hell of a machinist pardon the language. The sleeve job he did on his sxs rifle is the best I have seen.

[ArtS]

That looks good. I checked the dimensions, and it looks to me like 23.5 mm is a little big. All the new cases I have seem to measure about .912 to .914. I am guessing that to get right on, the best plan would be to use a 0.875 (7/8) hole then bore them to the exact dimension. Looked on eBay and found that a common item is a Heim rod fitting for custom suspensions. I ordered a set of two for $15. They are threaded for 7/8 studs inside and are 1-1/4" outside with a 1-1/2" hex flange on one end. Inside bore to .912 and thread the outside to 1-1/4 thread and you have a resizing die. I think I will make 2; one tapered for the first 1/2 inch to make the entry easier and the second straight walled to take the sizing all the way to the rib.

[Milton C Starr]

Originally Posted by Arthur Shaffer

That looks good. I checked the dimensions, and it looks to me like 23.5 mm is a little big. All the new cases I have seem to measure about .912 to .914. I am guessing that to get right on, the best plan would be to use a 0.875 (7/8) hole then bore them to the exact dimension. Looked on eBay and found that a common item is a Heim rod fitting for custom suspensions. I ordered a set of two for $15. They are threaded for 7/8 studs inside and are 1-1/4" outside with a 1-1/2" hex flange on one end. Inside bore to .912 and thread the outside to 1-1/4 thread and you have a resizing die. I think I will make 2; one tapered for the first 1/2 inch to make the entry easier and the second straight walled to take the sizing all the way to the rib.

My chambers are .925 which comes out to 23.5mm, I have been told American 8 gauges can run tight on the chambers though but I have never measured one. Toms in his book talks about measurements on old 8 gauge rounds and he got .924-.925 but they may have been English hulls I dont think he mentions the brand. My sizing die has one side that is a little tighter then the .925 side. The Winchesters I can resize in one motion with very little lube. The Remingtons I have to do in 2 stages and they have to be greased up a bit. The rim on the Rems are a bit chunky so sometimes I will have to run them back through the die. I dont have any sort of reloading press I just use a 1 ton arbor press for everything I need. Though I think you could probably resize the Winchesters using the downward stroke on the drill press. They dont take much to swage down, probably because the brass is one piece compared to the 2 piece Remingtons.