Ruark on gauge for quail.....

[BRDHNTR]

I sold off or traded all of my 12 ga Parkers years ago. Now, only shoot 20's. I did buy a 28 ga but it's a Beretta 28 over/under. Very nice and fun to shoot. Have only shot skeet with it but will shoot quail this season with it. My longer term plan is to pick up a 28 ga Parker Repro when my financial stars align for me.

[Mills]

I'm on a small gauge bent myself.

[Joe from MO]

I am in midst of pairing down some of my nice guns, into fewer nicer guns.

A 28 may be in order, but I have to get my hands on my 20ga first.

I have a fairly nice 20ga O/U that I had planned to sell, and still might. But when I went down to my gun safe and pulled out to take pics of it, pulled it out of it's sock, then said, nope... not today..... I might sell one of my 12ga Citori instead......

[Mills]

I am doing the same thing. I am slowly putting together a pile to send on. Some I bought for my wife and she never shoots them, so those are easy.

Yes, you need a 20 and a 28 . . . and a 16 . . . and then lots of them

[6pt-Sika]

Next season I’m thinking some quail with a 410 needs to happen . I’ve been thinking this for the last two seasons but never followed thru . Won’t happen with a Parker 410 as I doubt I ever find one I’m comfortable affording . But I do have a rather nice little IJ Hercules straight grip and a somewhat beat up Crescent Arms that someone extended the stock . When I have my stuff straight I can hit with either pretty well .

[Andy]

I happen to think you can get by with a 16 and 28 for just about all bird hunting. There's something about a 28 kills pheasants like they got hit by a truck, and I do believe it's God's favorite gauge. Re-read Michael McIntosh's essay on them. I have a Repro 28 (that I admittedly don't shoot so well) and a Benelli Ethos Sport in 28, now that's a blast. It will smoke clays if I do my part. I had an old box of RST 1oz 1300fps 28g shells laying around (pigeon loads) and that Ethos just took the heads off roosters, and easy to carry at 5lbs and a few ounces. If we had quail I'd take a 28 over all others but that's just me. I cringe at all the aYa's and Uggie's I passed up years ago because they were "too expensive" to buy. Hindsight.

[Stan Hillis]

Sir Joseph Nickerson, who died in 1990, switched from 12 bores to 20s later in life (1972, to be exact), then to 28's in his later years. He favored 13/16 oz. of no. 5's for high pheasant in the 20s, not sure what load in the 28s, and accounted for staggering numbers of gamebirds per day. He decried shooting close and low birds, favoring high birds and challenging presentations. His reason for going to the "little guns", weight. He said that as he grew older the 12s were just too heavy for him to lift all day, and that by conserving energy he could shoot better later in the day. He also pioneered the use of over and unders on the driven shoots of Britian and Spain, favoring them over the side by sides.

A true "big shot" of modern times, Joe accomplished feats equal to Lord Ripon, but with 28 bores. He shot more grouse in his last fifteen years than did Ripon (who used 12s) in his last fifteen. Ripon, who it is said took 97,503 grouse in his lifetime, killed 3435 grouse in his best year using 12 bores. Nickerson, in 1988, took 3390 with 28s, and over 3000 the previous year.

Joe was a great student of the shotgun, and went to great lengths to recover all shot birds. He knew his limits of range and stayed within them, striving always to center the birds head in his pattern. The center of the pattern is not much different between guages, but is deadly in all of them. Never having shot flushed pheasants (in the butt), I can see where the smaller guages would be more limited in range as compared to the 12. The rear of any bird is the toughest presentation to cleanly down the bird. But for the head-on and crossing driven game he chased the small guns suited him just fine.

I have a 28, a FAIR Verona with 30" barrels, and I shoot it pretty good. But, when I want to go small I go really small, down to my .410s. I have three .410 doubles, all with 30" barrels, one of them with screw-in chokes. They are the most fun on a dove field that you can have with your clothes on.

[John Davis]

J. J. Pringle, "Twenty Years' Snipe-Shooting," records bagging 78,602 snipe over the course of his hunting career. Snipe being the hardest of all game birds to hit, IMHO. He accomplished this with light English 12 gauges.

As far as Bobwhite quail go, if I'm shooting pen raised birds then the 20 or 28 gauge is more than adequate. If it's wild birds I'm chasing then I'm not proud, I'll usually go with a 16 or 12. I'm just not that good of a wing shot and since I'm typically hunting off horse back, weight isn't a concern.

As an aside, AKC doesn't allow a gauge smaller than 20 in a retrieving call back.

As to the vaulted .410, great for training young dogs steady to wing and shot but that's about it for me.

[Bill Murphy]

Craig attended an auction a few short months ago where he turned down an astounding 28 gauge Parker fully optioned quail gun for short money. I was surprised. Of course, I'm as guilty as he, because I turned down Doctor Norris' Purdey quail gun for the same kind of short money, but a few years earlier.

[Stan Hillis]

Choke is a wonderful tool, if used properly. Choke constriction can make a small bore's pattern density the equal of a big bores', especially at the core. Density and individual pellet energy is what kills birds, not bore size. Four pellets delivered to the vitals of a dove or quail from a small bore have exactly the same ability to disable and kill as four pellets from a big bore, given identical pellet weights, construction and velocity.

The way the smaller bores can (and do) deliver the same density is by utilizing a greater amount of choke constriction. This, of course, decreases the overall size of the pattern which requires more skill in placing the pattern on the bird. Therein lies the challenge to the gunner.

I believe in the ethical taking of game, and over the years have scrutinized my ability to take small game birds with a .410 closely. I don't "stretch it" when it comes to range. My .410s, with my .73 ounce handloads of nickel plated 8s are solid performers out to 30-35 yards on doves, a bit less on quail, because of the need to drive pellets up through the body into the vitals, from the rear usually.

I don't look down on anyone who makes a rational and ethical choice of gun and loads for game birds or ducks. I love my 16s and 12s, and shoot the 12s more than any other gauge, by far. It just seems to me to be a big waste of resources and recoil when I see guns on a dove field, or in the quail woods, using 1 1/8 oz. of shot to kill a little bird of a few ounces weight, when 1 1/4 oz. will deck any big duck that ever flew. Not pointing fingers at anyone in particular, of course, but I have watched this in amazement here, for many, many years. JMOBOE.